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collegeterrace wrote:
TAK wrote:Additionally Sidney Rigdon was also tarred and feathered. What was his reaction? The next morning SR wanted a razor to kill Joseph Smith! ~ Leading one to conclude that SR blamed Joseph Smith for what happened.
WHAT
THE
HELL?

Serious?

May I CFR? I'd love to put that in my arsenal of Mormon truths to fire at Mormons.


LDS author Fawn Brodie wrote,
“Fortified by a barrel of whiskey, [the mob] smashed their way into the Johnson home on the night of March 24, 1832 and dragged Joseph from the trundle bed where he had fallen asleep while watching one of the twins. They stripped him, scratched and beat him with savage pleasure, and smeared his bleeding body with tar from head to foot. Ripping a pillow into shreds, they plastered him with feathers. It is said that Eli Johnson demanded that the prophet be castrated, for he suspected Joseph of being too intimate with his sister, Nancy Marinda. But the doctor who had been persuaded to join the mob declined the responsibility at the last moment…” (No Man Knows My History, page119).

LDS author Todd Compton wrote,
“The motivation for this mobbing has been debated. Clark Braden…alleged…that Marinda’s brother Eli led a mob against Smith because the prophet had been too intimate with Marinda. This tradition suggests that Smith may have married Marinda at this early time, and some circumstantial factors support such a possibility. The castration attempt might be taken as evidence that the mob felt that Joseph had committed a sexual impropriety; since the attempt is reported by [Marinda's brother who became LDS apostle] Luke Johnson, there is no good reason to doubt it. Also, they had planned the operation in advance, as they brought along a doctor to perform it. The first revelations had been received in 1831, by historian Danel Bachman’s dating. Also, Joseph did tend to marry women who had stayed at his house or in whose house he had stayed” (In Sacred Loneliness, page 231).

Jos. Smiths own version of the after event:
"The next morning I went to see Elder Rigdon and found him crazy, and his head highly inflamed, for they had dragged him by his heels, and those, too, so high from the ground that he could not raise his head from the rough, frozen surface, which lacerated it exceedingly; and when he saw me he called to his wife to bring him his razor. She asked him what he wanted of it; and he replied, to kill me. Sister Rigdon left the room, and he asked me to bring his razor. I asked him what he wanted of it, and he replied he wanted to kill his wife; and he continued delirious some days."

I question Joseph Smith’s version of events that indicates that Sidney wanted to kill his own wife too as an attempt mitigate the desire to kill Joseph Smith. I believe there are other versions I have seen in the past but can not find them at present.

Finally.. Marinda married Orson Pratt a few years later and when Pratt was sent on a mission, Joseph Smith took Marinda as his 10th wife.






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What was the reason that Sidney Rigdon was tarred and feathered? Is there any documentation as to the reason? If Joseph was tarred and feathered for his impropriety with Marinda, what was Sidney tarred and feathered for?
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liz3564 wrote:What was the reason that Sidney Rigdon was tarred and feathered? Is there any documentation as to the reason? If Joseph was tarred and feathered for his impropriety with Marinda, what was Sidney tarred and feathered for?


I don't know.
It may have been guilt by association. I believe that SR was w/ Joseph Smith at the Johnson home at the period of time working on the translation of the Bible.

There is another conjecture that the first version of the Law of Consecration was leaking out and Smith planned on taking the saints property. That might explain why SR was a target. He was No. 2 in the church but it does not explain why the mob had a Dr. present to castrate Joseph Smith.

Regardless .. all the references by the church and Joseph Smith being tarred and feathered, the reasons are rarely if ever articulated.
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
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Actually I think its Todd Compton that may have doubted it, the author of Mormon Enigma did not. Additionally it would only be a year later and Joseph Smith was secretly marrying Fanny so there may well be some foundation for the claim of Joseph Smith chasing young girls. Additionally Sidney Rigdon was also tarred and feathered. What was his reaction? The next morning SR wanted a razor to kill Joseph Smith! ~ Leading one to conclude that SR blamed Joseph Smith for what happened.


In the footnotes in Mormon Enigma is where the authors mention that it is a tenuous accusation. I think Van Wagner says it as well in Mormon Polygamy.
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TAK wrote:[...]
I question Joseph Smith’s version of events that indicates that Sidney wanted to kill his own wife too as an attempt mitigate the desire to kill Joseph Smith. I believe there are other versions I have seen in the past but can not find them at present. [...]

When I read it the first time, my impression was:

Rigdon: "Bring me my razor!"
Wife: "What do you need it for?"
Rigdon: "To kill Joseph!"
(Wife shakes head and leaves room ignoring Rigdon's request)
Rigdon: "Joseph, bring me my razor!"
Joseph: "What do you need it for?"
Rigdon: "To kill my wife!"

It almost reads like a comic skit. "If that woman won't help me kill you, then perhaps you could help me kill her for not helping me kill you... also, who's on first."
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collegeterrace wrote:
TAK wrote:Additionally Sidney Rigdon was also tarred and feathered. What was his reaction? The next morning SR wanted a razor to kill Joseph Smith! ~ Leading one to conclude that SR blamed Joseph Smith for what happened.
WHAT
THE
HELL?

Serious?

May I CFR? I'd love to put that in my arsenal of Mormon truths to fire at Mormons.


Rigdon wanted to do this because he was addled and out of his senses by the attack. Temporarily insane if you will.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Rigdon wanted to do this because he was addled and out of his senses by the attack. Temporarily insane if you will.


According to Jos. Smith..
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:It almost reads like a comic skit. "If that woman won't help me kill you, then perhaps you could help me kill her for not helping me kill you... also, who's on first."

Smith: "First on who?... Nancy? That would be me, I get her first old man! You get sloppy seconds!"
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