Failed Abortion?

[_collegeterrace]

How many sock puppets can PP have?

The same number as you, stupid ass.
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[_Jersey Girl]

How many sock puppets can PP have?

The same number as you, stupid ass.
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Alright. That was good.

:-D

[_Gazelam]

Dana,

Much thanks for your posts. I learned some good information from them.

Gaz



Jersey,

I get what your saying now. I didn't understand where you were going with your opposition to the image. My apologies.

Gaz

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey,

I get what your saying now. I didn't understand where you were going with your opposition to the image. My apologies.

Gaz

I appreciate that, Gaz.

[_Danna]

Sorry if I came over a bit strident yesterday.

The issue is a really complex one and I have friends and family on either side of the whole debate (or the two debates: early pregnancy choice and later termination on fetal medical grounds). Also I should not mention personal details about family members as I am not very careful about 'protecting' my own identity on the net which is my choice not theirs.

[_Analytics]

I never heard of such a thing until tonight. This woman is pretty passionate about this subject, and she advertises “If Barack Obama had his way I would not be here.” That's not an unreasonable point to make if you think about it. It certainly isn't a falsehood.

I find it a very unreasonable point. Just because Obama had nuanced reasons to oppose this specific bill doesn't mean that "his way" is in favor of killing babies. This type of smear is ugly and should be beneath you.

Obama said that he was in favor of the federal version of the bill that did in fact pass.

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factch ... n_obam.php

At what point do you think killing a fetus/baby becomes murder? Meaning, when does it become a person with rights?

This is an answer I've never really been able to get from the pro-abortionists.

Have you asked the question to people who are pro-choice?

The line is drawn at the point of viability. If the fetus can survive outside of the womb, it is a child; if it can't, it is a previable fetus.

[_EAllusion]

I'm pro-choice and I draw the line of personhood around the development of the telencephalon and its associated development of consciousness, desires, etc. Since that doesn't provide a bright line anymore than attempting to figure out when hot becomes cold, I think we start talking about a growing penumbra of rights at around the end of the first trimester. I think the viability standard is indefensible. I can understand why one might argue that mother's rights to her body Trump a fetus's in certain circumstances, but it's hard to make sense of why independent viability is a quality that makes one deserving of moral respect.

But it's nice to again see Kevin say he hasn't heard what [x] thinks about something and in the process reveal he hasn't gone through the trouble of developing minimal familiarity with what he is expressing disagreement with.