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harmony wrote:Yet how can I learn from the past, if my choices in the past were made based on a different understanding than what I now have?


I'd say that's essential to the learning process. You now have a new understanding, created by experiencing the past one, and learning from it. (Most others won't understand this, because you have experienced it.)


harmony wrote:I mean, many of my choices were based on knowing that Joseph was an honest, upstanding, honorable man... and now I know that's a fairy tale. I used to think prophets were in tune with God, on a direct line so to speak. But now, I know that's not so. So many things have changed, because what I truly believed turned out to be just smoke and mirrors... men trying hard to maintain a facade that crumbles before the harsh glare of reality. So my reality was essentially built on sand. So I cling to my own values, my own relationship with God, and my love of my family.

So that leaves me with a host of choices that now present themselves (like a man with a voice like melted butta') that previously I'd have dealt with swiftly with no thought of any other way. But now...

Damn.


Some things will always remain "too late to do", others will not.

Many of our self-constructed "realities" are built on sand, not just religious ones. I recently found out something about a relative that was 180 different to the way everyone in the family perceived him/her for 50-plus years. That wasn't his fault, because he never encouraged the false perception, nor discouraged it.


Life is filled with illusions, and not just religious ones. I suppose that's why I see little point in being bitter about the losses, or the illusions, or wishing it was all different. The problem is that it takes a long time to learn, and priorities change.

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Ray A wrote:Life is filled with illusions, and not just religious ones. I suppose that's why I see little point in being bitter about the losses, or the illusions, or wishing it was all different. The problem is that it takes a long time to learn, and priorities change.


Maybe I'm just going through my mid-life crisis a little later than usual.

A divorced friend of mine said, when she turned 50, that she had two choices: a Harley or a 20 year old. She bought the Harley; the 20 year old just kinda followed.

I think if I'm not backed into a corner, I'll get through this, but I'm finding it harder and harder to keep mum, when presented with ideas like "we'll all be white in the CK". ARGH!

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LOL. Excellent.
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harmony wrote:A divorced friend of mine said, when she turned 50, that she had two choices: a Harley or a 20 year old. She bought the Harley; the 20 year old just kinda followed.



I'll be frank, my ex did the same thing at 46, while married to me at the time. I'm GLAD she found happiness, and I really don't care what the moralisers say. It was her life, what she wanted, and I respect that, even if it was momentarily difficult for me. There's no point forcing people to be what they don't want to be, or stay where they don't want to stay. And if you don't believe in something, there's no point trying to live what you honestly can't or don't believe.

(Better get ready for work, my other reality.)
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Forgive the off-topicness, but I can't help but probe for more details after the gems you both dropped.

HARMONY: How old is Mr. Melted Butter? I seem to recall that the two of you met face-to-face for a business purpose; am I right? And does he show personal interest in you?

If your husband is that lackadaisical when it comes to your feelings vis-a-vis Mormonism, then maybe you could ask his permission.

RAY A: What is it about this relative that's false, and what's the truth? And has anyone else besides yourself discovered it yet?

Also, you've made it clear many times that thanks to Australian law you got sliced, diced, and raked over the coals by your ex-wife in your divorce. Now that she's deceased, has your financial burden been lifted a bit?
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Dr. Shades wrote:Also, you've made it clear many times that thanks to Australian law you got sliced, diced, and raked over the coals by your ex-wife in your divorce. Now that she's deceased, has your financial burden been lifted a bit?


Considerably. Not only lifted, but prospering. Even without paying tithing :)

I guess that sounds awful, doesn't it? But it's "the reality".
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Ray A wrote:I guess that sounds awful, doesn't it? But it's "the reality".


Nope. It doesn't sound awful at all. It sounds like she got a dose of her own karma and you're finally getting some good karma back for all the bad you had to suffer.
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Dr. Shades wrote:Forgive the off-topicness, but I can't help but probe for more details after the gems you both dropped.

HARMONY: How old is Mr. Melted Butter? I seem to recall that the two of you met face-to-face for a business purpose; am I right? And does he show personal interest in you?


LOL. He's one of my most valued volunteers. We meet often; we just spent 3 days in Reno at a training.

Personal interest? He teases. I behave appropriately. Even while I blush.

If your husband is that lackadaisical when it comes to your feelings vis-a-vis Mormonism, then maybe you could ask his permission.


Permission for what? I haven't asked his permission for anything in ... ummmm... 37 years.
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harmony wrote:Permission for what?


Permission to get to know him on a more personal level.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
harmony wrote:Permission for what?


Permission to get to know him on a more personal level.


ROTFL. Really. Permission from my husband, for me to get to know Mr Melted Butta' on a more personal level? You have got to be kidding.

Damn, that really makes me laugh.
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Kudos to Harmony and Ray for a fascinating discussion. I wish I had more time to respond because I have things to say and also because this level of discussion is one of the things I came to this board for. I wanted to read/share "scholarly" discussion of Mormon history, but I also wanted to read about how various still believing/former Mormons addressed things in their daily lives.

This latter subject is aided considerably by internet anonymity, by the way, and because of that I originally intended to write more myself from a more personal vantage. I've been put off from that by the attitude and actions of some of the Staunch Defenders who've taken to posting here, unfortunately, and have never been able to shake the impression that anything I say here can and will be used against me at some later point--both online and off.
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