harmony wrote:I think you're right, Nehor. If church leaders can't get members to do the basics like maintaining a temple recommend, how can they expect to pull off something of this magnitude?
Best to take the high road, and simply let the members vote their own conscience. Surely since they've taught us correct principles, they can let us govern ourselves now.
They have.
Correct Principle: Homosexual Marriage is a dangerous step to take.
Now we can govern ourselves and choose how we vote and decide whether we wish to take part in a campaign to inform others of our decision or not.
I think I'm going to be in California this Christmas. I'm going to ask my relatives there how the campaign was run and what the reaction was. Might be interesting.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Correct Principle: Homosexual Marriage is a dangerous step to take.
Then don't take that step and leave others alone..
So does the Chuch have the guts to post signs on its own properties?
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
TAK wrote:Then don't take that step and leave others alone..
So does the Chuch have the guts to post signs on its own properties?
No. If there is one thing the Scriptures are clear on it is that he does NOT leave anyone alone and simply accept their decisions. Christ continued to warn his enemies even when he was doing more then just being annoying, he was risking his life. We must go and do likewise.
It has nothing to do with guts. It's not appropriate to place such signs on Church grounds.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:No. If there is one thing the Scriptures are clear on it is that he does NOT leave anyone alone and simply accept their decisions. Christ continued to warn his enemies even when he was doing more then just being annoying, he was risking his life. We must go and do likewise.
It has nothing to do with guts. It's not appropriate to place such signs on Church grounds.
Really?? So "Christ continued to warn his enemies" bla bla ... but the church should not post a sign on its own property? What a bunch of BS!! If it feels strongly to encourage others to action why should they not be willing to heed the same advice?
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
TAK wrote:Really?? So "Christ continued to warn his enemies" bla bla ... but the church should not post a sign on its own property? What a bunch of BS!! If it feels strongly to encourage others to action why should they not be willing to heed the same advice?
They are. It is heeding the same advice however we are not going to put a big oppose Prop 8 sign on a building dedicated to religion nor are we going to plaster such a sign on the side of the LA Temple. There is a time and a place for everything. Political ads should not be placed prominently where you go to worship your God. This is an LDS thing. It is what we do. We also don't have clever signs outside our Church to try to beckon people in. It is how we do things. You may not like our ideas of respect on Church grounds but we really don't care that much.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:They are. It is heeding the same advice however we are not going to put a big oppose Prop 8 sign on a building dedicated to religion nor are we going to plaster such a sign on the side of the LA Temple. There is a time and a place for everything. Political ads should not be placed prominently where you go to worship your God. This is an LDS thing. It is what we do. We also don't have clever signs outside our Church to try to beckon people in. It is how we do things. You may not like our ideas of respect on Church grounds but we really don't care that much.
Hmm.. a time and place for everything unless its uncomfortable and they don’t want the worship experience harmed.. Keep it safe so the tithing dollars keep flowing ..
Do you think the alliance of a 100 different religious organizations should not be putting signs up on their properties – Save Darfur ?
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
TAK wrote:Hmm.. a time and place for everything unless its uncomfortable and they don’t want the worship experience harmed.. Keep it safe so the tithing dollars keep flowing ..
Do you think the alliance of a 100 different religious organizations should not be putting signs up on their properties – Save Darfur ?
It's not that it is uncomfortable. I personally think it's tacky. It has nothing to do with tithing money unless you think such a sign will create the following:
Lady Driving into Church: Well, I never. They're putting signs out. Well, the Lord can't expect 10% from me as long as that sign is there (tears up tithing check).
Let me make a guess. This won't happen. Why is it that any time the Church does something the first thing every critic does is try to tie it to tithing. A minority of our members even pay tithing.
I personally don't care what other Church's put up. That is their concern, not mine. If they feel that such signs are appropriate on their Church grounds more power to them. We won't put up such signs. We're peculiar that way. If we stop being peculiar we're doing something wrong.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:It's a dull campaign planning document. Is there something interesting here?
I found it interesting the admission that non-LDS weren't doing much. I knew LDS were very much involved, but I thought the coalition had more non-LDS.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Then don't take that step and leave others alone..
So does the Chuch have the guts to post signs on its own properties?
Why when they have a flock of mindless fools that will litter their yards and neighborhoods with the trash?
... our church isn't true, but we have to keep up appearances so we don't get shunned by our friends and family, fired from our jobs, kicked out of our homes, ... Please don't tell on me. ~maklelan