Scratch, DCP, and the IRS

[_Jason Bourne]

Scratch

I do not know why the rules lay things out the way they do. Tax law is not always logical.

But if the instructions say that if the payment for a chairmen is paid to another organization for that persons time then that is they way it should be prepared.

As for the section where we have the yes and no questions under discussion those should be answerer no even if payments were made to BYU.

If FARMS made payments to Non Charitable tax exempts such as a 527 organization or another organization that is tax exempt under Sec. 501(c) other than a 501(c)(3) then the questions would be answered yes. But BYU is a 501(c)(3) it is not covered under this section of this form. So the questions should be answered no even if payments were made to BYU. This section is concerned with only payments to other types of tax exempts.

By the way I have no problem if Peterson got 20k directly for his work at FARMS. But what is maligning is you saying he is lying about it. He says he did not get it but you insist he did. When you concede that it may have been paid to BYU you argue it was for apologetics. He says it was not for apologetic but for something to do with ancient texts. But you say that cannot be and on and on and on.

So that is maligning him.

[_Jason Bourne]

Right. You are checking out in order to avoid answering this question (among others):

[b]How much were you paid to act as Board Chair of FARMS?[

He answered. He said 0, nothing, zilch, nada. You think he is lying. He thinks you are a loon. Leave him alone already. Neither of you are going to come to reconciliation on this. This is almost like stalking!

[_Yoda]

THANK YOU, JASON!!! *HUGS*

Hi there, Liz. May I ask: what is your problem with me and/or this thread?

My problem is that this question has been asked and answered at least 10 different times and ways, and you refuse to accept the answer because it doesn't suit you.

Give this one up, Scratch. You lost.

There are plenty of other things you can criticize DCP about if you so choose, but this is just ridiculous.

Frankly, I agreed with you and Rollo when it came to the GoodK incident.

But it just seems that for the past few months, Scratch, you have become unhealthily obsessed with DCP. And it never seems to be anything new. You rehash incidents that happened years ago (in this case 10 years?).

At least come up with something original to accuse him of. ;)

[Guest]

No, Jason, there was a chairman's fee. But it had nothing to do with doing apologetics. Whether I wrote or published on apologetic topics or not had nothing to do with being chairman of the board.

I received zero, zilch, zip, nada for my apologetic work. My salary has never been paid to me for doing apologetics.

No portion of my salary comes from, or has ever come from, apologetics.

The board chairman's fee was not a salary but a set amount, for administrative duties -- which were considerable, in fact overwhelming. The pressure was so intense that there were several times during those years when, to be candid, I thought of leaving the university altogether.

Right. You are checking out in order to avoid answering this question (among others):

How much were you paid to act as Board Chair of FARMS?

$3000 per year.

As I've told you before. (On Monday, 28 July, for example.)

Considering the fact that my service as chairman of the board came during the time that FARMS, a California-based 501(c)3 tax-exempt foundation, was affiliating with BYU, and that that complex and difficult process required hours and hours of meetings and negotiations each week for my entire tenure as chairman along with the generation and editing of scores of legal documents, which came on top of trips abroad to negotiate deals with holders of Dead-Sea-Scrolls-related material and to work out a partnership agreement with the Vatican Apostolic Library and to work out distribution agreements with E. J. Brill Publishers (in the Netherlands) and with the University of Chicago Press and with Oxford University Press and to set up digitizing projects in Lebanon and Italy and Jordan and Guatemala and etc., all of which took me away from home and from my own personal research and writing (which essentially went comatose during my chairmanship), I'm not even slightly embarrassed -- in case that's what you're hoping for -- by the whopping <$9 per day that that massive sum represents.

[_Jersey Girl]

Right. You are checking out in order to avoid answering this question (among others):

[b]How much were you paid to act as Board Chair of FARMS?[

He answered. He said 0, nothing, zilch, nada. You think he is lying. He thinks you are a loon. Leave him alone already. Neither of you are going to come to reconciliation on this. This is almost like stalking!

No, it's not almost like stalking. It's pathological and obsessive harrassment.

[_Jersey Girl]

Scratch,

I agree with Liz. Your questions have been asked and answered many times over. Jason Bourne has taken the time to supply you with detailed information regarding the filing of NFP IRS forms and you've ignored those.

It is difficult to determine whether or not you're simply playing cat and mouse here or are pathologically obsessed with Daniel to the point of ignoring what has been presented to you in order to continue interacting with him.

When Daniel says he's bowing out, you again repeat the same question as if it were never answered when it has been answered repeatedly.

Perhaps it is you who needs to be truthful and forthcoming. You cannot play shell games with the truth before people begin to take notice.

They already have.

[_Yoda]

Harmony's reaction, Scratch, should also be a red flag for you. Harmony has been a pretty staunch supporter of you, and an admirer of your writing for years. She is also not particularly a fan of Daniel.

When SHE thinks you have taken things too far, I think it's time to take a step back. (Note my signature).

[_Jersey Girl]

Hell, I'm not done yet.

Scratch,

Over the last two years, you appear to have set out on a one-man campaign against Daniel with Quinn as the centerpiece. Whatever your interest in avenging Quinn might be, you do him no particular favor conducting yourself in such overly obsessive ways on a message board such as this. This thread alone stands as testimony to the fact that you're unwilling to accept answers that don't fit your agenda even when those answers are validated by others such as Jason Bourne.

When Daniel announced that he was bowing out of the thread and you repeated the same question, you made yourself appear unstable and desperate.

Does Quinn need someone unstable and desperate to go to bat for him?

[_Ray A]

When SHE thinks you have taken things too far, I think it's time to take a step back. (Note my signature).

I think the criticisms of Dan have been, for a long while, obsessive, and I've voiced my opinion on that ad nauseam. I suppose it'd shock people to know that I do agree with Gad that Scratch has a very humane side, along with a "go for the jugular side at all costs" which I don't like. I've seen a charitable bent in some of his posts too, however, and maybe some/many will not agree (not necessarily falttery, either). People don't "vent" like Scratch has without a reason, but those reasons escape all of us. Scratch is skilled in rhetoric, which led me to believe in the past that he has something to do with legal/law studies, or the legal profession. Of course I could be wrong. I know nothing about Scratch. But also his attention to fine detail (no matter how right or wrong) cannot escape the attention of close observers. Almost Jerald Tanner-like, he's prepared to plough and plum every avenue, and even exploit. I think Dan recognises this. Note how he (Dan) won't take Kevin seriously, but makes garguantan efforts to refute Scratch. That alone should make us aware of the different styles (between Kevin and Scratch), and Scratch's more humane side (sorry, Kevin, but not everyone who disagees with you is an "idiot").

The question is: Who is Scratch, and what motivates him? At this stage I'd probably be willing to invest a small fortune to find out, and in spite of our animosity in the past, I am sort of intrigued.

[_Yoda]

I suppose it'd shock people to know that I do agree with Gad that Scratch has a very humane side,

Yes, Scratch does have a very humane side. And, I hope, Scratch, that you recognize that my comments to you are more out of exasperation from this topic as of late, than it is out of lack of affection for you.

You offered staunch support of me when things were crazy during my whole FAIR Mod mess, and I appreciate you being a friend to me. I think you can also attest to the fact that I have backed you as well. I stood up for you when you were accused of saying things about DCP on RfM that you emphatically denied. Not only did I take you at your word, but I publicly defended you regarding that issue multiple times.

So, in answer to your earlier question, I don't have a problem with YOU. I have a problem with you pursuing this topic for the reasons I stated earlier.