Scratch, DCP, and the IRS

[_Yoda]

How I see it is the reason why Mr. Scratch keeps pinging away at this issue is precisely because Mr. Peterson has lied, and continues to lie when he says he isn't paid and supported by the Mormon church to produce apologia. Sure he does some Islamic stuff, but the vast majority of his time, on the Mormon dime, is Mormon apologia. Perhaps it's a simple as Mr. Peterson feeling a little squeamish that he's an apologist first, and an Islamic scholar second... I don't know.

And you know this, exactly how? Are you privy to his day calendar?

Frankly, my take is that Daniel is a "celebrity of sorts" on this message board, MAD, and possibly RfM.

Beyond that, (sorry, Daniel), his apologetic work actually matters very little to the average member.

Teaching for a college, myself, I know how ragged they can run you, and I'm not even a Professor (yet). I suspect that Daniel devotes quite a bit of time to the field he was actually hired to teach and produce scholarly material for. If he didn't, he wouldn't be employed for very long.

[_harmony]

Mr. Peterson does create, participate in, and manage Mormon apologia while being a salaried employee of the Mormon church via BYU.

And I create, participate in, and manage being slightly critical of the LDS church while being a salaried employee of my agency. So? That doesn't mean my agency pays me to be a critic of the LDS church. That means I get my job done with time leftover which I choose to use to put my thoughts on the LDS church on this website.

This is not complicated, nor is it dishonest.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

So IF Dr Peterson is telling the truth and the $20,400 was paid to BYU it was properly reported as if paid to Dr Peterson as required by the instructions.
...

I submit now that assuming we can trust Dr Peterson he did not get the money directly, it was paid to BYU and the Form 990 is prepared correctly at least regarding this item.

Earlier you posted this statement about allowing an organization like FARMS to pay the $20,400 to BYU for DCP's services, but show it on the Form 990 as being paid directly to DCP:

If the organization pays any other person, such as a management services company, for the services provided by any of its officers, directors, trustees, or key employees, report the compensation and other items in Part V-A as if the organization had paid the officers, directors, etc., directly.

My question is this: would BYU qualify as a "management services company" and would DCP qualify as an "officer, director, trustee or key employee" of BYU for purposes of this rule?

[_antishock8]

And you know this, exactly how? Are you privy to his day calendar?

I know this because he has stated what he does on multiple occasions, and BYU lists what he produces. ??

[_Yoda]

And you know this, exactly how? Are you privy to his day calendar?

I know this because he has stated what he does on multiple occasions, and BYU lists what he produces. ??

But Daniel has consistently stated that his "on the clock" time was devoted primarily to his Islamic studies work for BYU. His volunteer time has been devoted to apologetics. He has also stated that he does receive periodic honorarium payments for his apologetic work. But, these payments are separate from his "day job" with BYU.

I really don't see how this concept is so difficult for folks to understand.

[_antishock8]

I really don't see how this concept is so difficult for folks to understand.

Because it's BS?

[_Daniel Peterson]

Odd. We've given you a direct link to the document in question, but you refuse to even look at it? Why?

I glanced at it once.

I hate tax forms. I find accounting arcane and uninteresting.

And, odd as this may seem in Bizarro Scartchworld, I'm not even slightly in doubt as to whether or not I received roughly $20K for serving as chairman of the FARMS board. I don't need to scrutinize a ten-year-old tax form in order to know what I was paid -- within $20K -- and why.

It would be nice, no doubt, to receive an annual salary so large that $20K here or there, plus or minus, could slip one's mind. But I don't.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

And, odd as this may seem in Bizarro Scartchworld, I'm not even slightly in doubt as to whether or not I received roughly $20K for serving as chairman of the FARMS board. I don't need to scrutinize a ten-year-old tax form in order to know what I was paid -- within $20K -- and why.

As you wish ....

[_Yoda]

Because it's b***s***?

Again...we're back to "he said/he said".

Those who don't like Daniel are going to continue to say, "you're a liar."

Daniel, and those of us who have had similar work situations which support Daniel's side of the story, are going to continue to say, "no he's not."

This is such a productive thread. LOL

[_The Nehor]

Well, I'm out of popcorn and this has gotten dull. The conclusion I draw is that if DCP is guilty then Scratch is also guilty of tax evasion until he proves otherwise by showing us his tax forms.