A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Trevor wrote:Scartcholepsy. Love it. Care to outline the symptoms? Or is it too obvious to bother?

The chief symptom seems to be a hostile obsession with a certain mild-mannered academic at BYU


Who are you referring to? Certainly not yourself. (Unless you are completely delusional.) I have never (as far as I can remember) said *anything* concerning your "actual job" at BYU---which is a professor of Middle Eastern Studies. For all I know, your characterization is accurate, and, in your performance of that job, you are completely "mild-mannered" and "academic."

Is this the way you behave online, though? No, not at all. You aren't "mild mannered" at all. You spread vicious rumors, you call people names. You use equivocation. You berate people for being "dumb" or "uneducated."

I guess in the end your characterization of yourself as "mild mannered" is yet another one of your spin-jobs.

-- hence the alternative name DCP Derangement Syndrome -- and a conviction that he's lying as long as he's breathing.


Come on now, that's silly. We both know that you only lie during important junctures. If you lied all the time, then even the TBMs would start to doubt you, and that would damage the "place for faith to exist" that you've worked so hard to cultivate.

Scartcholepsy is invariably malignant, and appears to be extraordinarily resistant to any known medical regimen.


Sort of like Mopologetics, I suppose?

It's silly to fault the editor of a review for asking others to write reviews.


Not when the reviews are belligerent smear pieces.

I've had very little to say about Quinn, period. You bring him up.


Yes, *now* that is true. You avoid discussing Quinn because you know that, due to your many slip-ups, it will be easy to checkmate you yet again. You guys really screwed up on this one, Dan. You ought to just admit it. There'd be more dignity in it.

I'll probably just ignore it, if and when he does.


Of course you will! Ignoring, in the sick mind of Dan the Mopologist, is always preferable to owning up to one's mistakes! Name calling is always preferable to apologizing! Such are the ways of the Mopologist.

You seem to have a boundless appetite for this,


You seem to have a boundless appetite for:
---Utilizing smear tactics
---Spreading malicious gossip
---Chickening out from debates with the likes of Kevin Graham and Bob McCue
---Watching anti-Mormon silent films for FHE
---Losing crucial pieces of evidence (2nd Watson Letter)
---Deceiving people with sockpuppets (FreeThinker, Logic Chopper, Fritz, etc.)
---Threatening legal action in order to score points
---Equivocating
---Lying about the number of "Metcalfe is Butthead" printings.

And so on!

and other sufferers from Scartcholepsy appear to do so as well. But most on this board don't live in Bizarro Scartchworld, and I think going the rounds on your accusations approximately 7,856 times is probably just about enough.


So what? Most people acquainted with your antics either agree that you have behaved very badly on a number of occasions, or else they are shaken to the core at having your jerk behavior put up as evidence. (Remember A Light in the Darkness?)

Such is the way of Dan the Mopologist! Name-caller and gossipmongerer extraordinaire! Will he ever own up and admit that he was wrong? No! It can't be done! It would be too much of a Watershed Moment! To think, that this self-described "mild mannered academic" might ever be so soft as to feel human emotions such as guilt, to think that a person would ever offer up sincere apologies! Absurd! Unheard of! The Mopologetic Agenda rolls on!
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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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Mister Scratch wrote:Is this the way you behave online, though? No, not at all. You aren't "mild mannered" at all. You spread vicious rumors, you call people names. You use equivocation. You berate people for being "dumb" or "uneducated."

I guess in the end your characterization of yourself as "mild mannered" is yet another one of your spin-jobs.


I took it as a humorous reference to Superman and Clark Kent.

I suppose when you spread vicious rumors, call people names. use equivocation, berate people online and boast about "kicking their butt" you fully understand such actions disqualify you from being considered "mild-mannered"?
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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Mister Scratch wrote:Unless you are completely delusional.

I am.

(Let's just get this over with.)

Mister Scratch wrote:You spread vicious rumors, you call people names. You use equivocation. You berate people for being "dumb" or "uneducated."

True.

Dumb and uneducated are two of my favorite words. A search here on MDB will find that I've used each of them hundreds of times.

Mister Scratch wrote:I guess in the end your characterization of yourself as "mild mannered" is yet another one of your spin-jobs.

Precisely. I'm an extraordinarily unpleasant person, in reality.

Mister Scratch wrote:Come on now, that's silly. We both know that you only lie during important junctures.

Exactly right. I lie only in preparation for and in the wake of the thrice-daily Watershed Moments in the History of Mopologetics.

Mister Scratch wrote:If you lied all the time, then even the TBMs would start to doubt you, and that would damage the "place for faith to exist" that you've worked so hard to cultivate.

Right. I'd like to lie all the time, and I have to struggle mightily to resist the urge, but, for reasons of tactics and policy, I restrict my lying to no more than fifty or sixty times daily.

Mister Scratch wrote:You avoid discussing Quinn because you know that, due to your many slip-ups, it will be easy to checkmate you yet again.

Bingo!

Mister Scratch wrote:You guys really screwed up on this one, Dan.

Yes, we did! LOL!

Mister Scratch wrote:You ought to just admit it. There'd be more dignity in it.

"The truth of the matter is that there is literally no way that this [as yet unseen] letter is not damning in some way." (Scratch, 7-30-08, MDB) "Actually, you lose either way." (Scratch, 7-31-08, MDB) "Why not admit defeat. . . ? There'd be more dignity in it." (Scratch, 8-12-08, MDB)

I admit it!

And wow! I feel so dignified!

Mister Scratch wrote:
I'll probably just ignore it, if and when he does.

Of course you will! Ignoring, in the sick mind of Dan the Mopologist, is always preferable to owning up to one's mistakes! Name calling is always preferable to apologizing! Such are the ways of the Mopologist.

"Scratch . . . always tries to see the good in people." (Gadianton, 7-11-08, MDB)

Mister Scratch wrote:You seem to have a boundless appetite for:
---Utilizing smear tactics
---Spreading malicious gossip
---Chickening out from debates with the likes of Kevin Graham and Bob McCue
---Watching anti-Mormon silent films for FHE
---Losing crucial pieces of evidence (2nd Watson Letter)
---Deceiving people with sockpuppets (FreeThinker, Logic Chopper, Fritz, etc.)
---Threatening legal action in order to score points
---Equivocating
---Lying about the number of "Metcalfe is Butthead" printings.

And so on!

Ah. I salivate just thinking about those things!

Mister Scratch wrote:So what?

Indeed.

Mister Scratch wrote:Most people acquainted with your antics either agree that you have behaved very badly on a number of occasions, or else they are shaken to the core at having your jerk behavior put up as evidence.

67.45% of the general American public, according to the latest Gallup survey.

Mister Scratch wrote:(Remember A Light in the Darkness?)

No. You'd better fish up some juicy morsels from one of your dossiers.

Mister Scratch wrote:Such is the way of Dan the Mopologist! Name-caller and gossipmongerer extraordinaire! Will he ever own up and admit that he was wrong? No! It can't be done! It would be too much of a Watershed Moment! To think, that this self-described "mild mannered academic" might ever be so soft as to feel human emotions such as guilt, to think that a person would ever offer up sincere apologies! Absurd! Unheard of! The Mopologetic Agenda rolls on!

Surely we've met? You couldn't possibly have caught the essence of the real me so beautifully without extensive personal contact. What perception! What psychological insight!

"Scartch Contemplates the Possibility that DCP Might Someday Decide to Ignore Him"
A poem by Napoleon XIV

Remember when you ran away
And I got on my knees
And begged you not to leave
Because I'd go berserk?
Well. . .

You left me anyhow
And then the days got worse and worse
And now you see I've gone
Completely out of my mind
And. . .

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .

You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left
But now you know I'm utterly mad!
And. . .

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

I cooked your food
I cleaned your house
And this is how you pay me back
For all my kind, unselfish loving deeds?!!
Hah. . .

Well you just wait
They'll find you yet
And when they do they'll
Put you in the ASPCA, you mangy mutt!
And. . .

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!
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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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Scratch seems to have a boundless appetite for:??
---Utilizing smear tactics
---Spreading malicious gossip
---Continuing debates long after your point has been proven faulty
---Missing or misrepresenting crucial pieces of evidence
---Deceiving people with a false online persona
---Threatening legal action in order to score points
---Equivocating

Such is the way of Scratch the anti-Mopologist! Name-caller and gossipmongerer extraordinaire! Will he ever own up and admit that he is just as guilty of that which he accuses the mopologists? I hope.


Scratch, when are we going to do lunch?
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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For the benefit of Mister Scratch,
Scratch will host a spitting match on Shady’s board.
But Peterson may not be there
(He scarcely even posts at FAIR), because he’s bored.
Over facts and logic, truth and fairness,
and lastly through a hogshead of pure lies,
Thus mendacious Mister S will battle his foe!

The dedicated Mister S
exhibits his obsessiveness at “‘Dr.’ Shades’.”
Fake Peterson's will dance and sing
as Mister Scratch controls the strings, full of hate.

It’s a fact that Scratch misleads the public,
but his obsession is simply second to none.
And (natch!) courageous Scratch does a victory waltz.

The farce endures from six to six
when Mister S performs his tricks without a pause.
And Mister S will mutilate
ten arguments he’ll fabricate to his own applause.
Having been some days in preparation,
a splendid time is guaranteed for all
And—natch!—Mister Scratch is topping the bill.
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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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LifeOnaPlate wrote:Such is the way of Scratch the anti-Mopologist! Name-caller and gossipmongerer extraordinaire! Will he ever own up and admit that he is just as guilty of that which he accuses the mopologists? I hope.


LoaP---

I don't really get your logic. If the Mopologists established precedent on this, then why should I be the one to "fess up"? Shouldn't they go first?


Scratch, when are we going to do lunch?


Are you going to pay for my airline ticket? I live thousands of miles away from you, LoaP.
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Mister Scratch wrote:Are you going to pay for my airline ticket? I live thousands of miles away from you, LoaP.

And not only that, but in another dimension -- a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind, a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. The Twilight Zone.
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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:I guess in the end your characterization of yourself as "mild mannered" is yet another one of your spin-jobs.

Precisely. I'm an extraordinarily unpleasant person, in reality.


Oh, yeah. Your online persona is just *so* charming! Just ask the dozens of people you've harassed on RfM, or the people you've held up for ridicule on SHIELDS. Just ask Mike Quinn, Grant Palmer, Simon Southerton, Tal Bachman, and Steve Benson. Just ask Robert Ritner.

Mister Scratch wrote:Come on now, that's silly. We both know that you only lie during important junctures.

Exactly right. I lie only in preparation for and in the wake of the thrice-daily Watershed Moments in the History of Mopologetics.


Har de har har. Do you think this fools anybody? Do you think that acting like a goofball somehow absolves your sins? The reality is that your Ward Cleaver-esque, Brethren-sanctioned sense of humor only proves how right I am. You are too weak to apologize, and even your gift as sophistry cannot spin away these "crimes," so you make lame jokes and puns. (Ah, yes--the pun that careworn staple of "Goofus and Gallant" cartoons and "safe" 1950s humor. No wonder you're so fond of it.)

Mister Scratch wrote:If you lied all the time, then even the TBMs would start to doubt you, and that would damage the "place for faith to exist" that you've worked so hard to cultivate.

Right. I'd like to lie all the time, and I have to struggle mightily to resist the urge, but, for reasons of tactics and policy, I restrict my lying to no more than fifty or sixty times daily.


More Mormon-friendly humor. How witty!

Mister Scratch wrote:You avoid discussing Quinn because you know that, due to your many slip-ups, it will be easy to checkmate you yet again.

Bingo!


QED.

Mister Scratch wrote:You guys really screwed up on this one, Dan.

Yes, we did! LOL!

Mister Scratch wrote:You ought to just admit it. There'd be more dignity in it.

"The truth of the matter is that there is literally no way that this [as yet unseen] letter is not damning in some way." (Scratch, 7-30-08, MDB) "Actually, you lose either way." (Scratch, 7-31-08, MDB) "Why not admit defeat. . . ? There'd be more dignity in it." (Scratch, 8-12-08, MDB)

I admit it!

And wow! I feel so dignified!


You genuinely admit that you have been looking to besmirch Mike Quinn's character? If so, I'm glad to hear it. You deserve praise for your integrity and courage.

On the other hand, if you are yukking it up, "Leave it to Beaver"-style yet again... Well, what does that say about you?

Of course you will! Ignoring, in the sick mind of Dan the Mopologist, is always preferable to owning up to one's mistakes! Name calling is always preferable to apologizing! Such are the ways of the Mopologist.

"Scratch . . . always tries to see the good in people." (Gadianton, 7-11-08, MDB)


Yes, that's correct---I hope you'll sincerely apologize and redeem yourself.

Mister Scratch wrote:(Remember A Light in the Darkness?)

No. You'd better fish up some juicy morsels from one of your dossiers.


I don't have to. ALitD was apparently horrified at your lying through the use of your "FreeThinker" sockpuppet.

Surely we've met? You couldn't possibly have caught the essence of the real me so beautifully without extensive personal contact. What perception! What psychological insight!


Huh? You mean you actually don't know? You have always seemed to imply that you think we've never met. So, are you sure?

"Scartch Contemplates the Possibility that DCP Might Someday Decide to Ignore Him"
A poem by Napoleon XIV


Ho ho ho! Hilarious, Prof. P.! I hear that the writers for I Love Lucy and The Honeymooners are looking for a good, ol' fashioned writer. I mean, your comedy is just so hip and fresh. And yes, of course: you will get to have a laugh track. The Brethren will pay for it.

Remember when you ran away
And I got on my knees
And begged you not to leave
Because I'd go berserk?
Well. . .


ROFL! Getting desperate now, I see. Go ahead, Dan: ignore me. I dare you to.


You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .


It is an interesting thing to wonder about: What *would* happen if you ceased to do Mopologetics? (You won't, of course. That is your particular malevolent obsession.)



Well you just wait
They'll find you yet
And when they do they'll
Put you in the ASPCA, you mangy mutt!
And. . .


Shouldn't it be the SCMC? C'mon, now. Jack Benny is turning over....

Fake Peterson's will dance and sing
as Mister Scratch controls the strings, full of hate.


LOL!!!! Okay, now this was genuinely good. Perhaps I should ask Dr. Shades to adjust my avatar descriptor? It amuses me endlessly that Mopologists perceive me as being "full of hate." Mission accomplished!

Anyways, Dan, I'm sure you know that these Brethren-safe little parodies of yours do little to brush away the uncomfortable fact surrounding your misdeeds. All but your most slavish bootlicks can see that rather plainly, I'm sure.
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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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Mister Scratch wrote:LoaP---

I don't really get your logic. If the Mopologists established precedent on this, then why should I be the one to "fess up"? Shouldn't they go first?


I take a very different view of communication, it seems. I am far from perfect, but my general outlook is one that takes more interest in what I can do in situations. I can't make people apologize or do my bidding, but I can evaluate my own position, see how I may have contributed to the problem, and then apologize with no other motive than to say I am sorry. Hoping that they may reciprocate, but not making my apology contingent on such.


Are you going to pay for my airline ticket? I live thousands of miles away from you, LoaP.


I didn't know you live so far away, you've never said such. I think you could have just told me so when I first invited you in a private message.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Re: A closer look at FROB 3, Part 1

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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:Are you going to pay for my airline ticket? I live thousands of miles away from you, LoaP.

And not only that, but in another dimension -- a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind, a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. The Twilight Zone.


Wow. Good one, Professor P. It seems you have come along way from your earlier nonsensical paranoia. Remember this?

Daniel Peterson wrote:To whoever it is who posts under the name of "Mister Scratch":

Your 11:20 PM note from last night was very striking to me. The level of detailed information (and misinformation) that you've sought to gather on me, coupled with your implacable hostility and your apparent obsession with me, has puzzled me for some time. Last night's note made me suddenly wonder, quite seriously, whether you might represent a potential threat to me and even to my family. Your behavior toward me in (I'm guessing) hundreds of posts over the past year or two has seemed to me, frankly, somewhat pathological. Your 11:20 note appears to reflect a more deep-seated hatred, a more comprehensive but -- and this was the biggest worry -- rather subterranean enmity, than I had really picked up on before. I found the thought chilling.

You're anonymous. I'm not. In fact, I'm fairly public and easily found. It's obviously impossible for me to disappear, but it occurs to me that it might be advisable for me to avoid further contact with you so as not to aggravate your seeming fixation.

Perhaps, of course, I'm wrong. I know nothing about you. Perhaps my concerns are without any foundation. But I can't know that. You may say that I'm being insulting. I don't mean to be. I'm entirely serious. The note last night crossed a line in my mind, and the more I reflected on it the more certain I became that this has to be the end. I had already decided to cut back on the time I've been wasting with you, and had in mind a final and rather humorous response. But I've decided that it would be unwise to taunt you.

I wish you all the best.
(From August, 2007)

Yep. The Twilight Zone sounds about right. This has to be one of the most hilarious postings in the history of Mopologetics. A watershed moment! The Good Professor breaks down in a heap of blubbering and paranoid fear!

Oh... Is *that* the explanation for your lame, Brethren-sanctioned attempts at 1950s humor? I.e., a defense mechanism, so that you'll be less afraid of Mean Old, "Subterranean Enmity"-having Mister Scratch? I had forgotten that you were so childishly terrified of me, but hey, sometimes it's good to reflect back on the good ol' days.

LOL.
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