LDS Inc berates reporter for article on missionary calendar

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Re: LDS Inc berates reporter for article on missionary calendar

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The Nehor wrote:This has been brought to you by people who nitpick everything the Church says. Yet when the Church does it it is petty. Hmmm....would that make them petty people?


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The part of the release quoted below is what I found to be a gratuitous and rather unfortunate (but transparent) attempt to imply serious wrongdoing on the part of Hardy so that the Church does not look like it was the calendar alone that led to the action, as it, for whatever reason is embarrassed to have that be the motivating reason for calling an inactive member into a disciplinary council to excommunicate him (which the church does not normally do). We know full well that the Church abandoned its usual practice of leaving inactive "covenant-breakers" alone as it relates to discipline and sought out Hardy for one reason only.

I wonder, when they hold the DC for the "signing for something" website guy, Callahan, after the election, if they will see if they can get him to admit he doesn't wear his garments or something else, and then tell the press and the Church membership that there was covenant-breaking that led to the action in an effort to avoid negative press. I simply hate that the Church cannot admit that which it thinks will hurt it in the eyes of the public. Say it--just say, "yeah, we exed him for the calendar as it is not our normal practice to go after inactives and bring them into chruch courts, but we went after him because we hate that calendar." Here is the quote from the release, bolding mine.

The article later states that Chad Hardy, the calendar’s creator, was excommunicated by leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for producing this year's calendar. However, Dobner was not present at the time of Hardy’s excommunication, nor did she participate in deliberations leading to this action and consequently can’t definitively draw such conclusions. Indeed, an article by the Associated Press published 14 July 2008 by the Deseret News reads, “regional church leaders who called the meeting raised three concerns with Hardy during the meeting: the calendar and his failure to keep some church covenants.”
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LifeOnaPlate wrote:
The Nehor wrote:This has been brought to you by people who nitpick everything the Church says. Yet when the Church does it it is petty. Hmmm....would that make them petty people?


Amazingly puzzling, no?
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The following is a post by Hardy himself over at postmo. I have to agree with him. The Church continues to selectively omit to present only part of the picture re various things (e.g., Wentworth Letter; Joseph Smith Manual as a whole; Joseph Smith Website; Brig Young manual, and on and on).

I called today to the church newsroom asking to speak to someone about the article that was posted in the newsroom website today (I posted it in an earlier thread) that made it sound like I was not excommunicated for the calendar, and raked the AP writer through the coals about it. When I called, of course they would not speak to me over the phone and the person I needed to talk to was in a "meeting" and was requested to send an email (so it would be in writing?) Anyway, here is what I wrote. We will see if they respond.


Hello, this is Chad Hardy and I am writing concerning the article "Mistakes in the News: Associated Press Errors More Than Semantics" on your newsroom website.

Your article makes the assumption that I was not excommunicated for producing the calendar. This is incorrect. The ONLY reason why I was excommunicated was for publishing the calendar. Though many choose to turn a blind eye to this fact, this is indeed the reason. There was no other transgression brought before the council besides my inactivity, and when the panel was open for discussion and questions, 100% of their questions related to the calendar. The Stake President eluded to the media that there were other reasons for calling the council in my behalf, and that was for not fulfilling my priesthood obligations (paying tithing or wearing the garments.) Since when is that an offense for excommunication? Since when is it the Stake President's obligation to share such things with the press? I felt what he did was out of line, but I have remained quite about it, until now.

The quote from Ms. Dobner's story that you stated in your article “regional church leaders who called the meeting raised three concerns with Hardy during the meeting: the calendar and his failure to keep some church covenants” is missing the following paragraph that explains what these church covenants were (i.e. not wearing the garment or paying tithing.) By selectively using this quote alone makes a reader assume that I was excommunicated for transgression, and not the calendar. If I was excommunicated for not paying tithing or wearing the sacred garment, then a precedent has been set, and other members should be held to the same standard. Anything less would be hypocritical.

Stating that Ms. Dobner was not at the disciplinary council is accurate, however I reported to her exactly what went on in the meeting accurately and truthfully. You sir, were not there, nor have I spoken to you about what went on that day.

I feel this assumption is slanderous to my good name, and I am requesting that you make a formal correction immediately and post it to your website and other news outlets that might have received the article.

I would appreciate a timely response.

Regards,

CHAD HARDY
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collegeterrace wrote:Pill time yet?


Naw....cocktail time! ;)

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mms wrote:The following is a post by Hardy himself over at postmo. I have to agree with him. The Church continues to selectively omit to present only part of the picture re various things (e.g., Wentworth Letter; Joseph Smith Manual as a whole; Joseph Smith Website; Brig Young manual, and on and on).

I called today to the church newsroom asking to speak to someone about the article that was posted in the newsroom website today (I posted it in an earlier thread) that made it sound like I was not excommunicated for the calendar, and raked the AP writer through the coals about it. When I called, of course they would not speak to me over the phone and the person I needed to talk to was in a "meeting" and was requested to send an email (so it would be in writing?) Anyway, here is what I wrote. We will see if they respond.


Hello, this is Chad Hardy and I am writing concerning the article "Mistakes in the News: Associated Press Errors More Than Semantics" on your newsroom website.

Your article makes the assumption that I was not excommunicated for producing the calendar. This is incorrect. The ONLY reason why I was excommunicated was for publishing the calendar. Though many choose to turn a blind eye to this fact, this is indeed the reason. There was no other transgression brought before the council besides my inactivity, and when the panel was open for discussion and questions, 100% of their questions related to the calendar. The Stake President eluded to the media that there were other reasons for calling the council in my behalf, and that was for not fulfilling my priesthood obligations (paying tithing or wearing the garments.) Since when is that an offense for excommunication? Since when is it the Stake President's obligation to share such things with the press? I felt what he did was out of line, but I have remained quite about it, until now.

The quote from Ms. Dobner's story that you stated in your article “regional church leaders who called the meeting raised three concerns with Hardy during the meeting: the calendar and his failure to keep some church covenants” is missing the following paragraph that explains what these church covenants were (i.e. not wearing the garment or paying tithing.) By selectively using this quote alone makes a reader assume that I was excommunicated for transgression, and not the calendar. If I was excommunicated for not paying tithing or wearing the sacred garment, then a precedent has been set, and other members should be held to the same standard. Anything less would be hypocritical.

Stating that Ms. Dobner was not at the disciplinary council is accurate, however I reported to her exactly what went on in the meeting accurately and truthfully. You sir, were not there, nor have I spoken to you about what went on that day.

I feel this assumption is slanderous to my good name, and I am requesting that you make a formal correction immediately and post it to your website and other news outlets that might have received the article.

I would appreciate a timely response.

Regards,

CHAD HARDY
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liz3564 wrote:
collegeterrace wrote:Pill time yet?


Naw....cocktail time! ;)

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I was speaking to LifeinApill err lifeonaplate.

But just curious with your reply, do you enjoy an alcoholic drink from time to time? What is your fav?
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If Jennifer Dobner was a member, she would be disciplined too. Unfortunately, she isn't a member.
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The Nehor wrote:I seriously wonder how they do it. Do they monitor all press releases from the Church? Go to RFM and come report. I'm glad I'm too lazy.... :)


How do the brethern do it? Some guy puts out a calender with topless males and they ex the guy? If the calender was called the Return Missionary calender would he have still been ex'd?? Most likley.. Have they nothing better to do? Whats petty's all these little minions out there looking for anything that could be construed in their narrow minds as something negative to the Kingdom of God and reporting back to their leaders.. Actually its creepy.
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
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TAK wrote:
The Nehor wrote:I seriously wonder how they do it. Do they monitor all press releases from the Church? Go to RFM and come report. I'm glad I'm too lazy.... :)


How do the brethern do it? Some guy puts out a calender with topless males and they ex the guy? If the calender was called the Return Missionary calender would he have still been ex'd?? Most likley.. Have they nothing better to do? Whats petty's all these little minions out there looking for anything that could be construed in their narrow minds as something negative to the Kingdom of God and reporting back to their leaders.. Actually its creepy.


Might have something to do with them having a department that keeps a watch out for these things. Not so creepy. Scratch is the only critic who claims to have others report things to him.
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