Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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Re: Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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Scottie wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Yeah, I'm considering retiring from the world of online apologetics and taking up turnip farming as a hobby instead.

Dude, you're not helping your gay image here. Couldn't you have said restoring old Jeeps or something?? :)


I was going to say return to my private harem and spend my days plotting world domination, the murder of Scratch, and perfecting my game of backgammon but that takes more time to say.
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Re: Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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Gadianton wrote:LoP,

Virtually everyone here but you agrees with me.



I'm not sure what this has to do with anything I've said in this thread; I've been stating my own opinions on the talk. I don't know what you are referring to about people agreeing with you.


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Re: Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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The Nehor wrote:Yeah, I'm considering retiring from the world of online apologetics and taking up turnip farming as a hobby instead.


Just wait until those turnips start whispering to you when no one else is around: "Get married, Nehor, Get married!" et al and then what will you do? to whom will you turn?
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Re: Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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The irony of recommending to avoid contention after calling Truth a liar:

From the church founding in 1830 to today, Ballard said, "persecutions have raged. Calumny, lies, and misrepresentation have attempted to defame. But in every decade . . . the truth of God has gone forth boldly."


Raging persecution... raging. The truth feels like rage when it destroys false faith. Hurts too.

Calumny? Lies? Misrepresentation attempting to defame?

Mormon adultery?
translation in a hat?
pine box revelation?
MMM?
Book of Breathings?
Lehite DNA?
Shopping mall financing with tithing?
etc. etc. etc...

Times have changed with the advent of the internet.
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Re: Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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So true, Inc.

One of the most fascinating things I see is members who have been taught that anything against the church is "anti-Mormon lies". From my perspective, the church lies MUCH more than most critics. Now, granted, there are some critics who will lie, but it is really pointless. The truth about Mormonism is about as damning as you can get. There really isn't any reason for a critic lie!

If I were to ever stand outside the Manti Pageant or Conference, instead of passing out "Joseph lied" fliers, I'd pass out fliers saying, "Help us defend the truth!! Please visit www.mormonapologetics.org! That would be FAR more effective than anything anti.
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Re: Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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bcspace wrote:
"More regrettable than the [LDS] Church being accused of not being Christian is when church members react to such accusations in an un-Christlike way,"


Perhaps we should go over the various examples of Christ responding (or not) to antagonists. He certainly didn't get contentious with anyone, but he certainly put some of them in their place. While I'm quite familiar with the aspect being spoken of in the talk, whenever someone uses the term "Christlike" there is usually more than one aspect to take into account.

D&C 71:7


You need to practice magnifying your priesthood:
41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;
42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—
43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;
44 That he may know that thy faithfulness is stronger than the cords of death.
45 Let thy bowels also be full of charity towards all men, and to the household of faith, and let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly; then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:34 - 46)


Bold emphasis mine.

And, frankly, BC, if you really consider all of us who you have supposedly "reproved" your enemies, then you are simply seeking out evil and contention, which is clearly against everything the Church teaches. You're painted into a corner, either way.

What's happened to you, BC? When I first started conversing with you, you were all about being able to "agree to disagree" and "break bread" after the initial debate was over. Lately, you have regressed to simply throwing out catty personal attacks at everyone across the board.

I genuinely liked you and respected you, defending you publicly on many occasions, despite our differences on issues. I have not forgotten that you were also one of my supporters during the mess with FAIR, and I will always be appreciative.

Now, I have to say, I'm honestly disappointed with your demeanor as of late.
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gramps wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Yeah, I'm considering retiring from the world of online apologetics and taking up turnip farming as a hobby instead.


Just wait until those turnips start whispering to you when no one else is around: "Get married, Nehor, Get married!" et al and then what will you do? to whom will you turn?


Hopefully I'll turn to a girl I love and propose....
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sunstoned wrote:Does this mean that MAD will be disbanded?


Of course not.

As Gadianton pointed out, Internet Mormons have given themselves license to disregard the prophets, seers, and revelators.

Just witness bcspace right here in this very thread. He essentially implies that MA&D et. al. ARE being Christlike, therefore Hales's comments don't apply to online apologists.

(Which makes you wonder just whom they think his comments DO apply to, but oh well.)
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Re: Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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Shades, I kind of throw a monkey wrench into your dichotomy of internet/chapel Mormon in regards to asserting that internet Mormons don't take apostles seriously as evidenced by bcspace's remarks here.

Well, I'll clearly say there are many instances when members of MAD don't live up to the standard presented in Elder Hales' address, myself included. For that I can only try to change and encourage others to do so.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Re: Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

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LifeOnAPlate wrote:Well, I'll clearly say there are many instances when members of MAD don't live up to the standard presented in Elder Hales' address, myself included. For that I can only try to change and encourage others to do so.


Good for you, LifeOnAPlate. :)

I hope that others here can follow your example. You don't seem to be as jaded as some of the other apologists here.

*HUGS*
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