Something Farms/MI could actually prove...

[_sunstoned]

At the beginning of the year when class assignments were published, we would ask each other, "Did you get cry baby?"

Standard change of subject. Where are your references?

My reference is reality. One guy against several has a couple of options. He can stand and fight and probably get his butt kicked, or he can hope to out run them. With a 50 pound weight Joseph Smith would be out running no one. I don’t care how big and strong someone is. Running with 50 pounds under one arm while fending off attackers is stuff of fantasy. I work out at Gold’s, and I don’t know anyone strong enough to do something as kick-ass as this. Except Moroni of course. That was one ripped dude. Hauling the plates, Laban’s sword, the magic glasses, and his ass 3000 miles up to NY was hard core.

[_bcspace]

Standard change of subject. Where are your references?

My reference is reality.

You haven't even proven the story exists.

One guy against several has a couple of options. He can stand and fight and probably get his butt kicked, or he can hope to out run them. With a 50 pound weight Joseph Smith would be out running no one. I don’t care how big and strong someone is. Running with 50 pounds under one arm while fending off attackers is stuff of fantasy.

That is your anecdote. Where is your reference so that we may compare your telling with the actual one?

I work out at Gold’s, and I don’t know anyone strong enough to do something as kick-ass as this.

If you really did work out, I'd think you know better. I bench 240 and squat 350. I also run a respectable mile. If I had the weight of the bar alone with collars compacted into a 7 x 8 x 4 inch volume, I could certainly run with it for a while.

Except Moroni of course. That was one ripped dude.

According to the paintings... ;)

Hauling the plates, Laban’s sword, the magic glasses, and his ass 3000 miles up to NY was hard core

Didn't he have 20 some odd years?

[_antishock8]

BC,

It's Lucy Mack Smith's story, that has been repeated, re-printed, and taught untold times to members of the church, by the church... And you know this.

Are you now going to throw Joseph Smith's mother under the bus?

- AS8

http://www.LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?v ... &hideNav=1

[_Pokatator]

Determine the distance ran

What's your reference for this run and let's find out.

I know what 60 lbs feels like (the standard eye witness account). I lift weights at the local gym and the bench press bar itself is 55 lbs. I could run a fair distance with it, much farther and easier if it was only 7 x 8 x 4 inches.

Of course, I'm not a big strapping farm boy like Joseph Smith probably was......

Bulldog mouth - Pekingese rear end

Spacey maybe you be the first contestant in an annual event at say the Manti pageant. Contestants could signup compete and the first place finisher would win a Gold Medal Moroni figurine, second place could get a silver Jupiter Talisman and the third place finisher would get a bronze Sword of Laban. All by participating in a reenactment of some thing just as phony and unreal as the Book of Mormon itself.

PS Make sure your health and life insurance are paid up and current.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Obviously Joseph Smith's attackers smoked and drank coffee, that's why they couldn't catch him. Even with a gimp leg and carrying 60 lbs, Joseph was stronger and more athletic than a few guys who probably also worked on farms, but didn't follow the word of wisdom. I bear my testimony that the word of wisdom is true.

[_Phaedrus Ut]

If you really did work out, I'd think you know better. I bench 240 and squat 350. I also run a respectable mile. If I had the weight of the bar alone with collars compacted into a 7 x 8 x 4 inch volume, I could certainly run with it for a while.

You pulling numbers out of your ass completely throws off my BS detector. First off you claim the standard "bench press bar" is 55 pounds. I don't know what a "bench press bar" is but as someone pointed out to you earlier it's 45lbs not 55lbs. Ok, honest mistake right? How about your 240 and 350 claims? Here is where it gets really sketchy. How would someone go about benching 240?

As we pointed out before the bar is 45lbs. It's a odd number and the plates you put on either side will always be an even number. They come in standard weights of 45,25,10, & 5 pounds. That's why you'll hear someone commonly say I press 185, 225, 255, 275 etc... The only way you get a numbers like BC claims of 240 or 350 is if you go and find those 2.5lb rings somewhere in the gym(if they have them) and slide those puppies on the end for effect.

So for his 350lb squat he puts on six 45lb plates, two 10lb plates, two 5lb plates, and two 2.5lb plates.

So next time you reach into your hind quarters to pull out your fictional strength numbers make sure they are at lease plausible and try not to get all of the simple details wrong.

Phaedrus

[_SatanWasSetUp]

55 lbs, 45 lbs, what's the difference? Nobody really pays attention to how much weight they're lifting anyway;)

[_antishock8]

I max 265 lbs., and that's not really a lot when you compare that to your run-of-the-mill athlete. I typically use 45 lbs dumbells for incline fly. When I grab the 45 lbs weights off the rack it's a challenge just to keep my arms slightly bent as I walk, ever so awkwardly, over to the bench. I have to swing them into place as I take seat, and then swing them into the starting position. I do ten reps, poorly, and then rest the weights on my thighs as I stand up. I walk, awkwardly, back to the rack and swing them into their places.

I've been very active my whole life. I've incorporated weights into my weekly routine since I've been in high school. I'm not a decathlete, but by no means am I unfit. You cannot keep a heavy weight, curled and tucked under your arm and do what Lucy Smith described. It's not only impossible, it's fantastically impossible. I also work with extremely fit people. Exceptionally fit people. Probably the fittest I've ever seen. Not one of them could do what Lucy Mack Smith described. Not one.

Mrs. Smith's story is a lie. The Mormon church perpetuates this lie to its children, to it's teenagers via the CES, to its adults via Sunday School manuals, and to its general membership via talks, Ensign articles, and what have you.

[_Neo]

I was just doing as Joseph Smith would have done.
Make it up as I go along.
Don't worry, though, I can go back and change any of it latter if I need to.

Then once again, the OP is invalidated.

Agree with you there.
There is nothing that Farms/MI could actually prove.

[_Pokatator]

I bench 240 and squat 350.

We're not interested in what you do in the restroom..... we know you're full of it.