The Mormon Gulag

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_Jersey Girl
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Re: The Mormon Gulag

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GoodK wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Yes, it is. Keep reading that section, there is a statement regarding negative attitude/conduct as well.


Well, wearing a leash and wool dress is a good recipe for a negative attitude.


What events preceeded that action on the part of adults?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
What events preceeded that action on the part of adults?


It depends. Sometimes nothing. Most kids start out that way. If they think you are going to run away, or you try and "manipulate" your parents, welcome to a blanket.
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A couple of questions about The Program from your web-site

Work Crew: A wool blanket - like the one you would find at an army surplus store - is wrapped around the waste like a towel. It is then secured with a rope, held by the Mormon running the work crew.


So all day one Mormon running the work crew holds all the ropes attached to the boys? He spends the whole day with them holding the ropes attached? [/quote]


Green Shirt:
The "green shirt" is not allowed to do anything besides read, and attend class, and is still not allowed to talk or sit on furniture.


So a green shirt stands in their classes?

Blue Shirt:

Life is by no means good and blue shirts are charged with the bulk of the forced labor.


How much time in a day is spent on forced labor? Is the labor mainly in the compound, and although you probably mentioned the labor I'm getting confused with other web-sites I've been to, could you give some examples of the sort of labor you are talking about.
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marg wrote:So all day one Mormon running the work crew holds all the ropes attached to the boys? He spends the whole day with them holding the ropes attached?


Usually two people run work crew at a time.

Green Shirt: So a green shirt stands in their classes?


No, they can sit in class. They can't walk anywhere by themselves, and they can't talk in class.

Blue Shirt:
How much time in a day is spent on forced labor? Is the labor mainly in the compound?


Sometimes 12 hours a day. Right now, in preparation for the Scarecrow Festival, there is no school and boys are working 12 hour days setting up. The labor that green shirts and work crew do is always on campus, the labor that blue shirts do is sometimes off campus. Only blue shirts are allowed off campus for work projects.
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GoodK wrote:Sometimes 12 hours a day. Right now, in preparation for the Scarecrow Festival, there is no school and boys are working 12 hour days setting up. The labor that green shirts and work crew do is always on campus, the labor that blue shirts do is sometimes off campus. Only blue shirts are allowed off campus for work projects.



Do days, weeks or months go by without having to do any labor?
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In a year from January to January how much time away from the place do most kids get to visit/stay with family?

In your particular case how much time did you get in your first year?

When you explained what it was like there didn't one of your parents believe or sympathize at all? I'm wondering how much time did they your parents think a place needed to be able to break you of any spirit you had? If that's the main goal of a place besides religious indoctrination, how much time does any parent think it should take?
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marg wrote:
Do days, weeks or months go by without having to do any labor?


No.

In a year from January to January how much time away from the place do most kids get to visit/stay with family?


Depends.

In your particular case how much time did you get in your first year?


Zero time.

When you explained what it was like there didn't one of your parents believe or sympathize at all?


I was there until I was 18. By the time I told them, it didn't matter.
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Re: The Mormon Gulag

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So I guess you worked on setting up the Scarecrow Festival, too?

If so, what sort of labor did you perform?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

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_marg

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GoodK wrote:I was there until I was 18. By the time I told them, it didn't matter.



In the 2 years that you were there, you had no opportunity to discuss with them what it was like? Or were you afraid to discuss with them? Or you didn't think they'd believe you?
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Marg wrote:In the 2 years that you were there, you had no opportunity to discuss with them what it was like? Or were you afraid to discuss with them? Or you didn't think they'd believe you?


From what GoodK explained to me in chat, it was a combination. They manipulated the kids in such a way, that they felt like if they told their parents the truth, they would remain in the place even longer. Apparently, the staff also told the parents to expect stories from the kids about how horrible the experience was in an attempt to go home early, and to "resist".

I think in any case where sexual and physical abuse are present, there is the whole issue of being afraid of being believed. Adults go through this. For a child, it must have been even worse.

I certainly hope that Eric can get enough ammunition together to get this place closed down. It sounds like a horrible abomination.
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liz3564 wrote: certainly hope that Eric can get enough ammunition together to get this place closed down. It sounds like a horrible abomination.


Thanks liz, I agree. I am asking him tough questions I think but he probably needs to be prepared because others will be thinking the same as me, and will wonder before believing everything he says.
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