Roger Morrison wrote:Harmony posted: Another question: That Monson was quoting, should he have stated so, giving credit to his source--if he knew it? A detail that might be more significant today than it might have been in times past. Differentiates between being a creative writer and well read...
As others have noted, Monson did attribute the quote to Meredith Wilson, the creator of "The Music Man". He also carefully attributed every other quote in his talk, and even specified "begin quote...close quote" when necessary.
collegeterrace wrote:*note to photographer/editor: PS out the handrail in pic #2 to make it seem more like they were on top of a hill and not just on a porch of a local church*
That rail is actually located on the peak.
Oh and what a fine example she is being to the young women of the church with her fake colored hair! Why not just live with the gray hairs the lord has so justly bestowed upon you old woman?
Has anyone else called this childish?
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One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Roger Morrison wrote:Another question: That Monson was quoting, should he have stated so, giving credit to his source--if he knew it? A detail that might be more significant today than it might have been in times past. Differentiates between being a creative writer and well read...
He referred to the musical by name.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Roger Morrison wrote:Harmony posted: Another question: That Monson was quoting, should he have stated so, giving credit to his source--if he knew it? A detail that might be more significant today than it might have been in times past. Differentiates between being a creative writer and well read...
As others have noted, Monson did attribute the quote to Meredith Wilson, the creator of "The Music Man". He also carefully attributed every other quote in his talk, and even specified "begin quote...close quote" when necessary.
He needs to have a sit-down with Joe Biden and go over some things in my opinion.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
It's a nice line, but was I the only one a wee bit uncomfortable that he was quoting a line not only from a con man, but a con man who was using the line specifically to try to get in the librarian's pants?
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
The Dude wrote: If you believe Richard Bushman, a con man could even be raised up as the mouthpiece of God and the restorer of a One True Church. A con man like Joseph Smith could be just the right person to bring about Heavenly Father's plan for a latter day Marvelous Work and a Wonder.
I respect Bushman way too much to let you misrepresent his position and belief regarding Joseph Smith. What you have said here is flatly false.
Would you mind elaborating his position then? If you can?
"And yet another little spot is smoothed out of the echo chamber wall..." Bond
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
The Dude wrote:Would you mind elaborating his position then? If you can?
Actually, you asserted that Bushman believes Joseph Smith was a "con man" who was then "raised up as a prophet of God." If you can defend your position using Bushman, please do. As it stands, one bald assertion deserves another.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
The Dude wrote:Would you mind elaborating his position then? If you can?
Actually, you asserted that Bushman believes Joseph Smith was a "con man" who was then "raised up as a prophet of God." If you can defend your position using Bushman, please do. As it stands, one bald assertion deserves another.
Per Richard Bushman:
#1. Joseph Smith engaged in activities that were commonly viewed as scams and con jobs. He went to trial for this activity.
#2. Joseph Smith was called to be a prophet. His experience as a peepstone treasure hunter was important training for the job of the restoration.
Now I never said Bushman believes Joseph Smith's treasure hunting business was a flat out scam to rip people off. But I would ask him, or you, what is the difference between 1) a scam artist and 2) someone who admittedly engages in all the activities of a scam artist... but somehow isn't really a scam artist.
"And yet another little spot is smoothed out of the echo chamber wall..." Bond