how are there still gays?

[_antishock8]

http://gaylife.about.com/cs/gay101/a/kinsey.htm

The idea that "gay porn" makes one gay or gayer is absurd. Linking fashion trends to innate human behavior is akin to saying people really don't like eating, but McDonald's has been responsible for the "outbreak" of hunger found in America.

C'mon now. Is it really that hard to believe that humans are sexually variated? What? Next thing you know the Christians will be telling us that it's unnatural to have sex outside our own race. That being attracted to something different is an aberration, and God didn't mean for the Black man to mix his seed with the Arabs, Whites, or Orientals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sex ... l_behavior

[_dartagnan]

Nobody said gay porn causes an "outbreak" in homosexuality.

Good grief.

But like anal sex among women, it is a learned behavior in many cases. Women having anal sex doesn't mean they are homosexual. Kinsey's report is skewed because his focus group consisted of former prisoners who had engaged in homosexual activity because of their time in prison. It wasn't an objective report based on the general population.

Not all homosexuals were "born that way" and it is no coincidence that homosexuality rose as it became more accepted in society. Why deny the obvious? Are we really going to sit here and pretend humans don't engage in various sexual acts out of curiosity and experimentation?

[_antishock8]

Nobody said gay porn causes an "outbreak" in homosexuality.

Good grief.

But like anal sex among women, it is a learned behavior in many cases. Women having anal sex doesn't mean they are homosexual. Kinsey's report is skewed because his focus group consisted of former prisoners who had engaged in homosexual activity because of their time in prison. It wasn't an objective report based on the general population.

Not all homosexuals were "born that way" and it is no coincidence that homosexuality rose as it became more accepted in society. Why deny the obvious? Are we really going to sit here and pretend humans don't engage in various sexual acts out of curiosity and experimentation?

Of course they do, but you also have to recognize that a lot of our inherent impetus behind our behavior is coded.

For those interested in the Kinsey Institute's studies:

http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/

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That being said, IF your god knows all, is all, controls all... He knows what's He's making, how it will act under all possible circumstances, and whether or not His creation is acting out of natural impulses or social engineering. In other words, the Gay Ones are doing what they were designed to do by YOUR all-powerful, all-knowing, all-controlling Creator.

God. Loves. The Gays.

It's just the way it is.

[_dartagnan]

But you can't declare that all homosexuality is a simple matter of genetic code. What about the jail house "bitches" who just happen to "become" homosexual after years of being forced into it?

It is amazing what the human being can adapt to and how that adaptation is carried out psychologically. The best way to deal with abuse is to treat it as though it were a pleasure. How many nymphos are those who were sexually molested as children? This isn't uncommon.

How many women who prefer really rough sex, are rape victims?

How many people experiment with homosexual activity because experimentation is considered cool? Come on. I lived in Orlando for five years. Orlando is probably second only to San Francisco in homosexual population. It seems like half the people working at Disney are gay. I've seen friends "turn" gay, or at the very least, experiment to the point of bisexuality because that was their environment. One of my former roomates had a really bad relationship with his girlfriend, and a month later I heard he was seen kissing guys at a club. He later told me he was depressed over his former ex, and was searching for something else in life to fill the hole. That was just a phase that didn't last more than a year; he went back to women.

There is a very popular song on the radio sung by a woman called "I Kissed a Girl." Have you heard it? This song is popular not because it is a great melody. It is popular because the younger generation connects with it. It is mostly about experimentation and adaptation to a ecular progressive culture, not genetic coding.

And yes, God loves Gays. That doesn't mean he condones the behavior anymore than he condones murder commited by the mentally ill. Homosexuality could be coded in the same way hermaphrodites are a result of genetic codes getting crossed.

[_antishock8]

Look. All I know is there are a lot dudes on the 'downlow'. I had no freakin' idea how many where like that until I got in this area. And if we're talking about social norms and customs this area that I live in isn't exactly gay-friendly. I think where I can meet you half way on this point is this:

I think there are some people that might have a slight inclination toward homsexuality, and it's brought out through association or gay porn... Whatever. in my opinion, that just means they were a little bit gay to begin with. Or bi. Or whatever.

Me? I've seen gay porn. I've had gay friends. I've had gay guys hit on me. I haven't "gone gay". Why? I just don't feel it. It's not in me. But if some dude is turned on by another dude the way I'm turned on by women, who am I to say that THAT isn't natural or normal? I know my heterosexuality feels normal to me. Feck, it feels so normal I want to schtoop half the women out there. Would one claim that is learned behavior? If so, so what? It's what I feel. And to cast condemnation or aspersion on that is frankly pretty low, in my opinion.

Again. If your god is The Man who knows all, sees all, controls all, etc... Then He knows what He's doing. He's making The Gays on purpose. Cut 'em some slack...

[_dartagnan]

You bring up God and homophobia as if any of that had anything to do with what I'm saying. How am I not cutting them slack? I just said homosexuality can be both, based on genetics as well as social influence. I'm not going to pretend the rise in social acceptance as nothing to do with the rise of homosexuality.

[_antishock8]

You bring up God and homophobia as if any of that had anything to do with what I'm saying. How am I not cutting them slack? I just said homosexuality can be both, based on genetics as well as social influence. I'm not going to pretend the rise in social acceptance as nothing to do with the rise of homosexuality.

I could probably buy into that a little. You make some good points.

[_ajax18]

Jack Nicholson made a good point in as good as it gets when he asked Simon the gay if he ever got an erection over a woman.

It seems like gay people often have heterosexual tendencies as well. What percent of them are strictly homosexual and "couldn't get an erection over a woman?"

From this perpsective the Church's stance seems even less harsh to gays than it does to adolescents not eligible for marriage or people who are just too ugly to get married. Yeah, an adolescent has some hope for this life, but then again he has absolutely no sexual outlet, whereas I can't help but think most gays are left with some sexual outlet. And what about ugly people? Don't they always get the bad end of the deal? Even straight men can't have everything their heart desires and have to repress at some point.

Given the small number of Mormons in the world and the small number of exclusively gay people (very small), very few people truly find themselves in this terrible predicament. But there sure are a lot of ugly people who have major difficulties.

[_bcspace]

By the gene not being passed on. The only other alternative seems to be that homosexuality is simply a deep, dark, perversion as no one is really homosexual.

Did you not read what the Dude wrote? He presented one hypothetical already, out of various possibilities, of how a particular gene could cause, on the one hand, some people to be gay, but on the other hand lead to a large enough increase in babies by others who also have that gene that it gets selected, the gays notwithstanding.

Hypothetical being the operative term. I prefer the simpler explaination. Even after the 2006 study the Dude is referring to we still have no conclusive evidence for any theory.

The bottom line of course is that we know the Lord gives us weaknesses (Ether 12:27). That doesn't absolve us from obeying the commandments.

[_Danna]

Hypothetical being the operative term. I prefer the simpler explaination. Even after the 2006 study the Dude is referring to we still have no conclusive evidence for any theory.

You have a very simplistic understanding of genetics. There a many mechanisms for the survival of an apparently lethal/deleterious trait. Why has the gene for cystic fibrosis not died out yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cystic_fib ... ence_of_CF
(and CF does not require an environmental trigger at all!)

Why do we still have low functioning autistic children, who cannot communicate or understand daily-living tasks at all? (actually I will answer that for you - some of the many traits that combine to create LF autistic kids are highly advantageous for their relatives). Yes, most cases of Autism probable have an environmental trigger, but the trigger is only effective if the genetic gun is loaded. Gayness is likely as complex as autism. Neither are going to 'die out' any time soon.

My TBM mother espouses your 'challenges' theory. Bollocks.