AP Report on last night's Prop 8 fireside ....

[_Scottie]

Funny how there is nothing to suggest that He has ever equivocated about homosexual conduct.

So should we allow incest since it was allowed in the Bible? How about genocide?

God really isn't the best judge of morality.

[_skippy the dead]

One comment though. Is the broadcast an attempt to influence legistlation? If yes is employing the assets of the Church in such a broadcast in violation of 501(c)(3) which not only does not allow supporting candidates but attempting to influence legislation as well.

Most definitely it was intended to do so. Members were instructed on what they need to do to pass the proposition.

[_John Larsen]

Funny how there is nothing to suggest that He has ever equivocated about homosexual conduct.

So should we allow incest since it was allowed in the Bible? How about genocide?

God really isn't the best judge of morality.

On the plus side, He does tend to learn pretty quickly and he will adopt better moral standards when the majority of His believers adopt those beliefs.

[_Jason Bourne]

I am a libertarian but I fully support and understand the position of the coalitiion

But would you support it if the Church was not?

[_skippy the dead]

I am a libertarian but I fully support and understand the position of the coalitiion

But would you support it if the Church was not?

Obviously rcrocket can answer on his own, but I believe he has previously mentioned that on a personal level he would not have supported Prop 8, but is doing so because the church has said to do so.

[_rcrocket]

Funny how there is nothing to suggest that He has ever equivocated about homosexual conduct.

So should we allow incest since it was allowed in the Bible? How about genocide?

God really isn't the best judge of morality.

Should we jettison Paul's teachings about homosexuality because you don't like what is said on unrelated topics by others millenia previously?

Given that we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, is homosexual conduct a sin?

[_Yoda]

Given that we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, is homosexual conduct a sin?

You know what, Bob? I honestly don't know.

I have a lot of questions surrounding this issue. I have three very good friends who are homosexual. All three of them have come from various backgrounds, etc. I asked them when they really knew they were gay. All three of them told me that by the time they were 8, they knew. They were all very conflicted by what they were feeling. They all had girlfriends through High School, etc. to try to "fix" their sexual inclinations.

Why would God place such a trial on someone? Why would He create someone like this? It seems like a sick and perverted God would do such a thing.

I just don't understand.

What are your thoughts?

[_harmony]

Given that we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, is homosexual conduct a sin?

Is it a sin for a man and a woman to hold hands? To kiss? Why is it a sin for 2 women? Or 2 men?

[_truth dancer]

Hi Harmony,

You bring up a great point!

In some cultures it is perfectly acceptable for heterosexual women to hold hands with their female friends, and grown heterosexual men kiss each other on the cheek. Most of us, even in the US are fine with heterosexual friends of the same sex hugging.

So... what sort of "homosexual behavior" is not unacceptable?

Heterosexual men can hug each other, but not gay men? Heterosexual women can hold hands but not lesbians? This is craziness!

If a non-married heterosexual couple is allowed to kiss, hold hands, get cozy, (give back rubs in church ...smile) etc. etc. what is wrong with a gay or lesbian couple doing the same?

Or are gay and lesbian couples sinning if they so much as touch each other?

It is all such nonsense!

I'm still wondering... if my neighbors down the street, who happen to be lesbian get married, how in the world will that impact ANYONE (other than their family and loved ones in a very positive way), at all?

Their three children will be happy, they will be happy, literally nothing at all will change in our neighborhood, in our community, or in our country.

No one is going to turn gay if this lovely couple gets married. They are a couple and a family whether they are married or not.

I really do not get the mindset behind the belief that somehow allowing gay couples to get married is going to change society in any significant way other than perhaps helping these families remain strong, similar to non-married heterosexual couples.

~td~

[_Scottie]

Given that we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, is homosexual conduct a sin?

No, it is not.