Blixa wrote: so maybe we're looking a neo-millennialism, a flexible postmodern kind, which can co-exist with a entrepreneurial present...? Just some random pre-thoughts...of course millennialism of any stripe has its economic side..
I think that is the case, Blixa. The ideals and sentiments of yesteryear are still strongly there, but in a "neat" mixture of God and Mammon (which Jesus advocated being "wise" about). The Saints are no longer driven out or persecuted, and the Church is no longer struggling financially, but the expectation of very difficult times ahead in the "last days" is still very much a core belief.
For everyone, I've never said the church doesn't believe in the mellenium, certainly it does. I'm saying it doesn't emphasize the immediacy along with hasty preperations and most importantly, for this thread, the doom of the world economy and the need for the saints to be independent of the rest of the world.
Think of the counterpoint to the church's present love of money and the things of the world as Nibley's call to "flee Babylon" "literally" and his frustrations as he documents them in Approaching Zion with the church's ties to worldly economy. Including his frustration with the brethren who wish to live the law of consecration "spiritually". Think of Nibley's comments about the "eshchatological church" of the early Christians that gave way to the mainstream Catholic Church that "spiritualized" what were intended to be literal things, according to him. And he worried about the same things happening with today's church.
Any mellenialism today in the church is vague, and certainly doesn't include threats about the national or world economy crashing. And the brethren have no reason to plead with the Lord for his hasty return when they are doing just fine and the wicked and righteous together are paying the electric bills at the COB and the 5-star hotel stays.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
Quickly, Marriott IS a general authority, so I imagine he knows quite a few. Later I could document some of those he's been known to chill with.
My opening post is true. And the church is convicted as a porn and alcohol outlet under similar reasoning that the church would use to condemn homosexuals.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
Quickly, Marriott IS a general authority, so I imagine he knows quite a few. Later I could document some of those he's been known to chill with.
No. He was an area authority seventy but I think he is done with that.
My opening post is true. And the church is convicted as a porn and alcohol outlet under similar reasoning that the church would use to condemn homosexuals.
Jason Bourne wrote: No. He was an area authority seventy but I think he is done with that.
Jason, I hit reply to a post to Gad with utter skepticism about Marriott being a GA, but was forewarned about your post. I guess I've just been out of the loop in that area for way too long, but he was an Area Authority??
And allowed porn in the Marriott hotel chain? While ordinary members are even counselled to avoid "the very appearance of evil" in their personal lives, and employment?
Jason, I hit reply to a post to Gad with utter skepticism about Marriott being a GA, but was forewarned about your post. I guess I've just been out of the loop in that area for way too long, but he was an Area Authority?
Looks like based on Wikipedia he is still a Area Authority:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Marriott
Marriott is currently serving as an Area Seventy and is a member of the LDS Church's Sixth Quorum of the Seventy.
And allowed porn in the Marriott hotel chain? While ordinary members are even counselled to avoid "the very appearance of evil" in their personal lives, and employment?
Marriott hotels do have on their video menu porn movies. Personally I have a major issue with this. But Marriott is not the LDS Church. But there is a disconnect here.
Y'know, Gadianton, there are posts made here every once in a while that I simply can't help but agree with EVERY WORD.
Too complicated. There is a much simpler explaination and that is the Church simply wants to portray the positive message that the Lord is in control and by obedience to the various Gospel principles, one can weather any storm.
Jason Bourne wrote:Marriott hotels do have on their video menu porn movies. Personally I have a major issue with this. But Marriott is not the LDS Church. But there is a disconnect here.
I'd like to agree, but I'm finding this difficult. He may not be the LDS Church, but he's a high authority in the LDS Church. Frankly, I wouldn't care if Marriott was a devoted fan of "Debbie Does Dallas", but I'm afraid I smell some hypocrisy here because he's a high authority.
I recently read that pornography has become a $57 billion industry worldwide. Twelve billion of this is derived in the United States by evil and "conspiring men" (see D&C 89:4) who seek riches at the expense of the gullible. It is reported that it produces more revenue in the United States than the "combined revenues of all professional football, baseball and basketball franchises or the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC"
It robs the workplace of the time and talents of employees. "20% of men admit accessing pornography at work. 13% of women [do so]. . . . 10% of adults admit having internet sexual addiction" ("Internet Pornography Statistics: 2003"). That is their admission, but actually the number may be much higher.
The National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families states that "approximately 40 million people in the United States are sexually involved with the Internet. . . .
"One in five children ages 10–17 [has] received a sexual solicitation over the Internet. . . .
"Three million of the visitors to adult websites in September 2000 were age 17 or younger. . . .
It's going to take me some time to get my mind around this.
I agree. Marriott is hypocritical and it seems that the top leader turn a blind eye to this. Omni hotels dropped porn movies. Others have. Marriott could as well and it would impact he bottom line little.