Be Courageous - - Support Prop 8

[_harmony]

You know pedophiles feel that they are the next gays - meaning they believe they are the ones that are next in line to get their RIGHTS. All they need is to have society become more accepting, a few positive scientific studies, and viola, the courts can give them their wish. I'm sure it won't start with a 9 year old. It will probably start with a 13 year old that is barely under the 14 year old age limit and acts like an adult in every way.

[snarky]Someone should have warned Joseph.[/snarky]

Document this please. What makes you think pedophiles feel that way at all?

[_Ray A]

It looks like the Yes campaign has had an effect:

A poll conducted by SurveyUSA on behalf of a California television station (CBS 5) shows that 47 percent of voters planned to vote for Proposition 8 on the California ballot, compared to 42 percent, who oppose it.

In comparison, a SurveyUSA poll released Sept. 25 found 44 percent planned to vote for Proposition 8 while 49 percent planned to vote against it.

Support for the same-sex marriage ban has grown since the start of a television ad campaign showing San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, saying that homosexual marriage was here “whether you like it or not.”

Ironically, the poll found support for Proposition 8 has grown among young voters, which are considered the most unpredictable voters and the hardest to poll.

The SurveyUSA poll was conducted among 670 likely voters and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 percent.

CBS News (Oct. 14)

Allowing for the polling error margin, it still looks close.

Bob:

The federal government is against gay marriage. The Senate, by a vote of 84-14, and the house, by a vote of 342-67, and President Clinton by his signature, signed the Defense of Marriage Act, which holds:

Recommended reading: Sissela Bok, Lying: Moral Choice in Public and Private Life (Pantheon Books: 1978; Vintage paperback editions, 1979, 1989, 1999).

[_Dr. Shades]

The problem the libertarian faces, however, is that government isn't that way and isn't likely to be that way.

That's only because libertarians aren't yet in the government.

[_Jersey Girl]

007 X2

Besides, can't you see that this dog and his owner really love each other.

You might be interested to learn that the state of Texas repealed it's anti-beastiality laws before Lawrence vs the State of Texas which led to the end of that states anti-sodomy laws.

So, prior to Lawrence...a human being in Texas could legally have sex with their dog, but two consenting gay males could not have sex with eachother.

All true.

[_Ray A]

You know pedophiles feel that they are the next gays - meaning they believe they are the ones that are next in line to get their RIGHTS. All they need is to have society become more accepting, a few positive scientific studies, and viola, the courts can give them their wish. I'm sure it won't start with a 9 year old. It will probably start with a 13 year old that is barely under the 14 year old age limit and acts like an adult in every way.

Pedophiles have no rights, except the right to be imprisoned. No one discusses giving pedophiles rights, except pedophiles themselves. Which father is going to agree to this? Which mother is going to agree to this? It can only happen in the context of religion, like Muhammad taking a 9 year old as wife. In this case, Dostevesky's saying is turned around, "with God, all things are permissible".

[_dblagent007]

You know pedophiles feel that they are the next gays - meaning they believe they are the ones that are next in line to get their RIGHTS. All they need is to have society become more accepting, a few positive scientific studies, and viola, the courts can give them their wish. I'm sure it won't start with a 9 year old. It will probably start with a 13 year old that is barely under the 14 year old age limit and acts like an adult in every way.

[snarky]Someone should have warned Joseph.[/snarky]

Document this please. What makes you think pedophiles feel that way at all?

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-pedophile_activism

[_krose]

Whose religion gets to define it? And does this proposal then invalidate all marriages involving athiests?

If I'm reading them correctly, they're saying that each individual and organization can choose for themselves what they want to mean by marriage in the same way that they can choose which things are beautiful or delicious.

Yes. Strip marriage of any legal meaning. Anyone who wants a legally binding partnership can set one up. They can choose to have whatever ceremony they wish, and call it what they will. Of course it would require some other changes, such as getting rid of tax preferences based on marital status.

The best way to avoid putting a government in a position of discriminating against certain people or groups is to stay out of it. For example, the best way to avoid choosing what types of prayers are acceptable in a city council meeting or a school is to not have them at all. Let people pray on their own, however they wish.

[_krose]

You know pedophiles feel that they are the next gays - meaning they believe they are the ones that are next in line to get their RIGHTS. All they need is to have society become more accepting, a few positive scientific studies, and viola, the courts can give them their wish. I'm sure it won't start with a 9 year old. It will probably start with a 13 year old that is barely under the 14 year old age limit and acts like an adult in every way.

Ray is correct. That's one 'slippery slope' that will never happen. It's ridiculous.

[_dblagent007]

You know pedophiles feel that they are the next gays - meaning they believe they are the ones that are next in line to get their RIGHTS. All they need is to have society become more accepting, a few positive scientific studies, and viola, the courts can give them their wish. I'm sure it won't start with a 9 year old. It will probably start with a 13 year old that is barely under the 14 year old age limit and acts like an adult in every way.

Ray is correct. That's one 'slippery slope' that will never happen. It's ridiculous.

I hope it never happens as well. However, if you told people 100 years ago that gays should be allowed to marry, don't you think their reaction would be similar to our current reaction about making adult/minor sexual relations permissible?

Also, if I recall correctly, there have been times in history when adult/minor sexual relations were permissible (ancient Greece, if memory serves). Who says it won't come back?

[_dblagent007]

007 X2

Besides, can't you see that this dog and his owner really love each other.

You might be interested to learn that the state of Texas repealed it's anti-beastiality laws before Lawrence vs the State of Texas which led to the end of that states anti-sodomy laws.

So, prior to Lawrence...a human being in Texas could legally have sex with their dog, but two consenting gay males could not have sex with eachother.

All true.

Well, first things first, I guess.