Apostle Christofferson apparently believes in the Flood...

[_Jersey Girl]

Wheat

This is a strawman. I don’t believe that Noah even attempted to load one of every species on his ark. I don’t believe that every species was even susceptible to being destroyed by the flood. I think many were. I think Noah attempted to preserve as many useful and otherwise valued species as he could, with the understanding that God would do as He wished with the others.

I don’t believe Noah attempted to save spiders. Or any other insect life, for that matter. Why bother when everyone knows mosquitoes and the like would survive nuclear winter, let alone a little rain shower of 40 days or so.

I believe the story of Noah is based in a historical event. I don’t believe in apostate renditions of what that event consisted of.

Well, do you accept the KJV of the story? Because the Bible doesn't say that Noah selected or loaded any animals/species at all.

You might want to recheck that, Wheat.

[_Jersey Girl]

Wheat

I don’t believe Noah attempted to save spiders. Or any other insect life, for that matter. Why bother when everyone knows mosquitoes and the like would survive nuclear winter, let alone a little rain shower of 40 days or so.

Where did the spiders go?

[_Gazelam]

Jersey,

Where did the spiders go?

I thought pigs take care of spiders. They kept them in the rafters above their stys on the Ark.





P.S. I thought insects were part of the earth, and therefore would just hole up until after the flood.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey,

Where did the spiders go?

I thought pigs take care of spiders. They kept them in the rafters above their stys on the Ark.





P.S. I thought insects were part of the earth, and therefore would just hole up until after the flood.

Watch it, Gaz. That's Some Pig!

:-D

[_Ray A]

Alice: Grandma, were you on Noah's ark?

Grandma: No.

Alice: then how did you survive the flood?

[_bcspace]

Okay, BC, who in the Church today among the General Authorities "speaks doctrine"? None? D&C 68:

From my siggy.....

"With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications."

But by your reckoning, only written scripture is valid?

Canon is doctrine however, doctrine is not necessarily canon.

Was Orson Pratt a deceiver, deluded???

No, just unpublished, in many cases, by the Church.

I agree that bcspace’s position quickly becomes untenable when examined in the full light and complement of LDS doctrine and the principles of continuing revelation as I understand them.

So far, this has never proven to be the case. I believe it's because I am using the Church's own standard for doctrine and not my own.

[_moksha]

If they're not, then they seem damn inconsistent to me. At least when it comes to Mormon doctrine.

We are not monolithic. The word inconsistent sounds more suitable for the making of a strawman argument. I prefer the word diverse. We Mormons can be diverse in our opinions.

[_Danna]

I agree wth bcspace, you can't believe in LDS doctrine as presented in the standard works (esp. moses) if you don't believe in a worldwide flood and the confusion of the languages at the tower of Babel.

That's not what I said. I said one has to believe them to be historical events. I said nothing of the actual details though the standard Christian conception is currently LDS doctrine (in the absence of additional information).

I am not silly enough to claim that a biblical account is doctrinal. I am talking about The Book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price.

[_The Dude]

Maybe Noah didn't try to save the spiders, but a few of them (or their eggs) stowed away on his ship or on bits of driftwood. From these founding survivors there evolved all the spider species we have today, including the ones that live in such specialized environments as tropical jungles, caves, and the petals of orchids that crab spiders use for hunting camoflage. All of this divergent evolution happened in a few thousand years. So you see, creationists need evolution as much as evolutionists.

[_Danna]

Does anyone know how Cain survived the flood? Or did he just float around for a year or so. Maybe he spent the whole time drowning and gasping, trying to stay afloat for a year but unable to die. How horrible.