Message to Area Authorities re BKP's "talk" ....

[_Rollo Tomasi]

This is related to the ongoing thread about reports of BKP's remarks during a Utah ward's F&T meeting last October 12. It apparently has bothered the Brethren enough that the following message has been sent to Area Authorities, who in turn sent it to all local leaders:

Subject: Talk given by President Boyd K. Packer on Sunday, October 12, 2008:

President Boyd K. Packer's Office indicated that the report of his talk of Sunday, October 12, 2008, that is being distributed is not accurate. President Packer has not approved the report of his talk or authorized its distribution.

It is recommended that individuals follow the instruction, counsel, and spirit of his recent October 2008 General Conference talk.

As a reminder please review the following:

A First Presidency letter of May 13, 2004, provides this counsel and official instruction:

"... members of the Church [are] to never teach or pass on ... statements without verfiying that they are from approved official sources .... Any notes made when General Authorities, Area Seventies, or other general Church officers speak at regional and stake conferences or other meetings should not be distributed without the consent of the speaker. Personal notes are for individual use only." (See also: Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 1 (2006), p. 173).

[_The Dude]

A First Presidency letter of May 13, 2004, provides this counsel and official instruction:

"... members of the Church [are] to never teach or pass on ... statements without verfiying that they are from approved official sources .... Any notes made when General Authorities, Area Seventies, or other general Church officers speak at regional and stake conferences or other meetings should not be distributed without the consent of the speaker. Personal notes are for individual use only." (See also: Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 1 (2006), p. 173).

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So let it be written, so let it be correlated.

[_harmony]

This is related to the ongoing thread about reports of BKP's remarks during a Utah ward's F&T meeting last October 12. It apparently has bothered the Brethren enough that the following message has been sent to Area Authorities, who in turn sent it to all local leaders:

Subject: Talk given by President Boyd K. Packer on Sunday, October 12, 2008:

President Boyd K. Packer's Office indicated that the report of his talk of Sunday, October 12, 2008, that is being distributed is not accurate. President Packer has not approved the report of his talk or authorized its distribution.

It is recommended that individuals follow the instruction, counsel, and spirit of his recent October 2008 General Conference talk.

As a reminder please review the following:

A First Presidency letter of May 13, 2004, provides this counsel and official instruction:

"... members of the Church [are] to never teach or pass on ... statements without verfiying that they are from approved official sources .... Any notes made when General Authorities, Area Seventies, or other general Church officers speak at regional and stake conferences or other meetings should not be distributed without the consent of the speaker. Personal notes are for individual use only." (See also: Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 1 (2006), p. 173).

Ah.. so, it was a talk, and not a testimony. Nice of him to hog the testimony time for his own pontifications, as if they were more important than the testimonies of his ward members.

And now he's claiming the transcription isn't accurate. I wonder which part he's been hammered for? I suspect Pres Monson doesn't like renegade apostles.

I'll be sure to send this to my neice, who, bless her heart, sent me the talk this morning via email. She is new to all this, just recently endowed, and doesn't know the protocol.

[_Dr. Shades]

President Boyd K. Packer's Office indicated that the report of his talk of Sunday, October 12, 2008, that is being distributed is not accurate.

Interesting that they refrained telling us how it isn't accurate.

President Packer has not approved the report of his talk or authorized its distribution.

"Inaccurate" and "unapproved" are not mutually inclusive categories. Just because it's not approved doesn't mean it's not accurate.

[_skippy the dead]

So either he's a mouthpiece for God or he isn't. If what he said in that talk was so very important (or just inspired by God), it should be published for the general good of the church. If it wasn't, then the church shouldn't hide behind claims of erroneous reports, but should disavow it completely. Sounds like a bit of eating one's cake and keeping it, too.

[_harmony]

So either he's a mouthpiece for God or he isn't. If what he said in that talk was so very important (or just inspired by God), it should be published for the general good of the church. If it wasn't, then the church shouldn't hide behind claims of erroneous reports, but should disavow it completely. Sounds like a bit of eating one's cake and keeping it, too.

It's a matter of control. SLCentral didn't have control over the content, the delivery, or the transcription, and they sure didn't have control over the dispersal. That which they cannot control they will not support.

This talk (not testimony) is as useful as any talk given from any pulpit in the church on any given Sunday... which is to say: not at all useful. That's gotta sting BKP.

[_Jason Bourne]

This is what I noted on the thread about his remarks. Also last Sunday I got in a bit of a debate in HP Group about this when I noted that the remarks may not be accurate and church leaders do not like emails like this passed around.

[_Jason Bourne]

Ah.. so, it was a talk, and not a testimony. Nice of him to hog the testimony time for his own pontifications, as if they were more important than the testimonies of his ward members.

Oh come on. You are being petty. No doubt those in the congregation were quite happy to hear from him,

And now he's claiming the transcription isn't accurate. I wonder which part he's been hammered for? I suspect Pres Monson doesn't like renegade apostles.

Again you are taking a pot shot. It is clear that GAs have asked in the past that remarks that are circulated should be from official sources. This recent thing is a prime example of why this is wise,

[_Gadianton]

In a church where the brethren can't reveal anything beyond a political agenda, who can blame the Saints for latching on to any little bit of possibility that their leaders know something the general population doesn't?

[_harmony]

Ah.. so, it was a talk, and not a testimony. Nice of him to hog the testimony time for his own pontifications, as if they were more important than the testimonies of his ward members.

Oh come on. You are being petty. No doubt those in the congregation were quite happy to hear from him,

So... you think it's okay for some random old guy to get up in Fast and Testimony meeting and give a long drawn out talk, to not bear his testimony, to hog a great deal of the time so no one else had the chance to get up and bear theirs... after we've been told by SLCentral to keep testimonies short. It makes no difference whether the old guy was an apostle or not. This was not the time or place for a talk of this nature. This talk took at least 10 minutes. That's 2-3 testimonies in my ward. If he felt things needed to be said, they needed to be said to more than his ward; they need to be said to the whole church.

And now he's claiming the transcription isn't accurate. I wonder which part he's been hammered for? I suspect Pres Monson doesn't like renegade apostles.

Again you are taking a pot shot. It is clear that GAs have asked in the past that remarks that are circulated should be from official sources. This recent thing is a prime example of why this is wise,

Of course I am. And Pres Monson is no doubt feeling the sting of yet another unofficial talk floating around his church. He needs to get a bit more control over his Brethren. They're sounding more and more like men every day.