Latest Proposition 8 Poll

[_Brackite]

Hi all Here,

Here is pretty much the latest information and news about Proposition 8, and with the latest Poll on Proposition 8, out in California.

Most voters reject a ban on gay marriage but the margin is closing. Experts say the tally is hard to predict.

By Jessica Garrison
October 23, 2008


While California voters remain closely divided on the question of gay marriage, a majority oppose a measure to ban it, according to a poll released Wednesday by the Public Policy Institute of California.

But the poll also found that support for Proposition 8, which would amend the state Constitution to disallow same-sex marriage, has gained somewhat since a similar survey was taken in late August. The latest results show 44% in favor and 52% opposed, with a margin of sampling error of 3 percentage points.


Recent polls commissioned by groups for and against the initiative have showed it passing, though most political analysts put less faith in polls funded by partisans than in those conducted by independent groups like the Public Policy Institute.

The institute's president, Mark Baldassare, predicted that the election would be close. Polls on the more general question of how voters feel about gays and lesbians marrying have consistently shown a deeply divided electorate, with voters split almost evenly and passionate feelings on both sides.

With huge turnout expected from younger voters and independents, the election is filled with uncertainties, and polling experts say it poses special challenges for pollsters.

Here is the Link to this Whole News Article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 5703.story


Are the efforts by the LDS Church helping Proposition 8, at all, going up a bit in the recent Polls, out in California?

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[_Who Knows]

wow - i can't believe it's so close. didn't know there were so many haters out there.

[_harmony]

wow - i can't believe it's so close. didn't know there were so many haters out there.

I'm not so sure it's hate. It sounds more like fear to me.

[_TAK]

wow - i can't believe it's so close. didn't know there were so many haters out there.

I'm not so sure it's hate. It sounds more like fear to me.

I think the two; hate and fear feed off each other ..

[_Yoda]

A good friend of mine is a principal for a private Christian school in Northern California. Her main issue is that she has heard of all of the crazy rules and regulations that will be imposed on public educators. She, personally, and her school won't be affected, but her peers and those involved in the public education system will be.

Apparently there is talk about having to refer to parents as "parental units". You can't ask a child, "May I speak to your Mom, or may I speak to your Dad?"

Crazy stuff.

[_CaliforniaKid]

The last poll I saw had the "support" side winning. So I'm grateful to see these numbers, which paint a somewhat different picture.

A good friend of mine is a principal for a private Christian school in Northern California. Her main issue is that she has heard of all of the crazy rules and regulations that will be imposed on public educators. She, personally, and her school won't be affected, but her peers and those involved in the public education system will be.

Apparently there is talk about having to refer to parents as "parental units". You can't ask a child, "May I speak to your Mom, or may I speak to your Dad?"

Crazy stuff.

The Republicans have been trying to spin things as if the failure of the amendment would automatically entail these sorts of educational policy changes. But that's not the case. Constructing a public-school policy that deals with the reality of gay marriage remains a task for the future. It could end up having some silly features, but any such features will not be direct consequences of the Prop 8 vote and will be independently repealable. I cannot understand people who feel the best way to avoid a stupid educational policy is to revoke the marital rights of a minority group. If they have opinions about educational policy, they should fight those battles on their proper turf: write your legislators and your school district. Don't vote to enshrine discrimination in the state constitution!

[_CaliforniaKid]

By the way, has everyone seen the anti-Prop 8 TV ads? They're pretty funny.

[_richardMdBorn]

wow - i can't believe it's so close. didn't know there were so many haters out there.

Calling those who disagree with you haters really raises the level of discourse. Is it impolite to call Bill Ayres a hater?

[_Brackite]

A good friend of mine is a principal for a private Christian school in Northern California. Her main issue is that she has heard of all of the crazy rules and regulations that will be imposed on public educators. She, personally, and her school won't be affected, but her peers and those involved in the public education system will be.

Apparently there is talk about having to refer to parents as "parental units". You can't ask a child, "May I speak to your Mom, or may I speak to your Dad?"

Crazy stuff.

Hi There Liz,

There is a recent article pretty much about this issue, from the Proposition 8, Web Site Page.
Here is the Hyper-Link to this:

Yes on 8 Campaign Slams New No Ad with Jack OConnell:

[_Brackite]

wow - i can't believe it's so close. didn't know there were so many haters out there.

Hi Who Knows,

Are you really suggesting that anybody who personally believes that the definition of Marriage is between one man and one woman, and should stay that way, is really a Person of hate? I do Not agree with that. The People of California have an absolute right to vote whether or not they want to expand the Definition of Marriage or not.

Here is the Tenth Amendment, to the United States Constitution:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

(http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution ... amendmentx)


The People of California clearly have the right to decide whether or not they want to expand the definition of Marriage. (1) If the majority of the voters of California end up voting Yes on Proposition 8, that is fine and ok with me. If the majority of the voters of California vote no on Proposition 8, that is also fine and ok with me. I very much respect and agree to the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

1. The People of California will be voting on whether or not of Continuing the very recent expanded definition of Marriage or not in California. If Proposition 8 wins in California, the traditional definition of Marriage will be back there, of one man and one woman.