BKP Predicts the End of the World as We Know It?

[_Inconceivable]

It’s about time the Lord taught us a lesson. A great catastrophe is coming... That’s what it will take to turn our hearts to the Lord. And we will learn from it.

I have found it inspiring that on the day of his horrific death, Jesus had the capacity to heal a soldier's injury, ask forgiveness of His Roman assailants and even promise to be with two thieves in paradise.

But then upon the moment of His death (or exactly 1 year after, whatever), he literally lays waste to cities of hundreds of thousands of wicked men, women and (innocent) children in the Western Hemisphere and islands fo the sea.

These people didn't just fall asleep. They were slaughtered: burned, slowly suffocated, mutilated, drowned and crushed. Including children.

If the Mormon God's Jesus is justified in orchestrating such a cleansing of the earth, it should not be surprising that BKP would encourage yet another timely smackdown.

In what aspect does BKP wants to be like Jesus?

[_Ray A]

Are we regressing then? Since 1978, have we made any real progress? How many of the 12 sit on BKP's side and how many would side with SWK?

That's a difficult question to answer, but we've already seen how SWK was open to the free flow of ideas, contra Packer. Perhaps when the "Camelot" * era comes back we'll see more progress.


[*Arrington also granted liberal access to Church archival material to both Mormon and non-Mormon scholars. This era is sometimes referred to as “Camelot” due to its open and idealistic ethos.]

[_Roger Morrison]

Interesting post MG. Which of the two missals attributed to BKP would you suggest disenhance (enhance?) him the most? How much credibility should he be accorded?

Regards, Roger

Do we have reason to believe that this address:

http://www.zionsbest.com/face.html

...was not transcribed correctly?

Which one enhances BKP the most? The one that is most credible, of course! BKP's credibility is a matter of personal interpretation and/or belief in whether or not he was speaking prophetically or not.

Regards,
MG

Hi Mg, I'm not too confident that I can deal affectively with your high-wire stuff... However from "...zionbest..." I have pasted below:

Those fifteen words from Alma state: "God gave unto them commandments, after having made known to them the plan of redemption." There are many things that cannot be understood nor taught nor explained unless it is in terms of the plan of redemption. The three areas that I mentioned are among them. Unless they understand the basic plan -- the premortal existence, the purposes of life, the fall, the atonement, the resurrection -- unless they understand that, the unmarried, the abused, the handicapped, the abandoned, the addicted, the disappointed, those with gender disorientation, or the intellectuals will find no enduring comfort. They can't think life is fair unless they know the plan of redemption. (B, i, UL added by RM)

As you have suggested, it's an individual matter of choice whether to believe/disbelieve BKP and the LDS teachings re "...the plan of redemption..."

In the cases he stated it seems obvious those folks wanted to believe in the Church's power to provide the comfort, "...as a hen gathers her chicks..." But they (LDSism) will not, rather cannot, because of a Man-made corporate principle of effiency (not of effectiveness, IMSCO) referred to as Correlation. A most necessary practice in business affairs. Not so however when dealing with human sensitivities as effected by one's dispositions, whether they be the product of Nature or Nurture.

In such cases LDSism turns a cold-sholder to the sufferer, & a blind-eye to their own inability and incompetence to address human issues with more than the tools of fools who refuse to tap into human intelligence; except when it comes to their Empire & Wealth building and physical comforts/health/security. Therein they excell to their goals of conquest...

I think the parallel-bars have become too much for me MG. So I'll just leave my testamony: The LDS Church has some very good programs; it's full of all kinds of people, some better than you'll find anywhere, others not so good. No different than in any church. But, the LDS Church does not, for it cannot, represent an in-our-image "God" that does not exist.

The OP expresses the obvious crisis and challenge of our time. BKP is simply another without the intellectual imagination to handle the situation with creative initiative that will remedy the corruptions of the spiritually starved socio-politio-economic system that was ordained by Divinity... BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!

ROTFL Roger :-))))))


however hard to bear -- in the eternal scheme of things may be compared to a very, very bad experience in the second semester of the first grade. She will find no enduring peace in the feminist movement. There she will have no hope. If she knows the plan of redemption, she can be filled with hope.

The one who supposes that he "understands the mind-set of both groups" needs to understand that the doctrines of the gospel are revealed through the Spirit to prophets, not through the intellect to scholars.

Only when they have some knowledge of the plan of redemption will they understand the supposed inequities of life. Only then will they understand the commandments God has given us. If we do not teach the plan of redemption, whatever else we do by way of programs and activities and instructions will not be enough.

[_mentalgymnast]

...Kimball's book, Miracle of Forgiveness , did not speak of a miracle nor forgiveness as Jesus and His apostles taught it. It pretty much explained that we pay for our sins by giving everything in our possession to satisfy debt - over time. Just as BKP speaks about our contract with Jesus.

Both SWK and BKP lack a basic understanding of the Miracle of Forgiveness, unconditional love, becoming a child of Christ.

Isn't that what it's all about?

You can go the rounds on faith, repentance, justice, unconditional love and mercy all the day long and when the sun goes down you'll still not be able to understand these concepts in all their depth and meaning, only through your own filter of perception/experience. Same thing goes with SWK and BKP. The question then becomes, who's experience/perception do you want to trust as an additional help to your own? Apostles and prophets aren't a bad choice.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

I have found it inspiring that on the day of his horrific death, Jesus had the capacity to heal a soldier's injury, ask forgiveness of His Roman assailants and even promise to be with two thieves in paradise.

But then upon the moment of His death (or exactly 1 year after, whatever), he literally lays waste to cities of hundreds of thousands of wicked men, women and (innocent) children in the Western Hemisphere and islands fo the sea.

The children may not have kept their innocence being raised in a corrupt/wicked society. Would that have been a good thing? Did Jesus have the capacity to reverse engineer the wickedness of a society who had chosen wickedness over righteousness? It may have been a blessing to not let things carry on the way they were where the children would continue to take on the same attributes as their parents.

Regards,
MG

[_harmony]

The question then becomes, who's experience/perception do you want to trust as an additional help to your own?

Uncle Jim. My dad.

Apostles and prophets aren't a bad choice.

Regards,
MG

For whom? And when? Sometimes, apostles and prophets give bad advice. Our records are full of those instances.

[_harmony]

The children may not have kept their innocence being raised in a corrupt/wicked society. Would that have been a good thing? Did Jesus have the capacity to reverse engineer the wickedness of a society who had chosen wickedness over righteousness? It may have been a blessing to not let things carry on the way they were where the children would continue to take on the same attributes as their parents.

Regards,
MG

So... you advocate the wholesale killing of children, because their parents were unrighteous? How does that line up with the 2nd Article of Faith?

I can't believe you just said that, MG.

[_mentalgymnast]

The question then becomes, who's experience/perception do you want to trust as an additional help to your own?

Uncle Jim. My dad.

Apostles and prophets aren't a bad choice.

For whom? And when? Sometimes, apostles and prophets give bad advice. Our records are full of those instances.

For whom? Those in whom the filter of perception/experience points/guides them towards listening to and obeying/following the word of the prophets.

When? For each individual it will vary. Again, according to one's own personal filter of perception/experience.

Bad advice is in the eye of the beholder...depending on one's own perception/experience. For you, Uncle Jim and your dad meet the criteria necessary to give them heed and to follow their counsel and advice. Your filter of perception/experience allows you to do that.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

The children may not have kept their innocence being raised in a corrupt/wicked society. Would that have been a good thing? Did Jesus have the capacity to reverse engineer the wickedness of a society who had chosen wickedness over righteousness? It may have been a blessing to not let things carry on the way they were where the children would continue to take on the same attributes as their parents.

Regards,
MG

So... you advocate the wholesale killing of children, because their parents were unrighteous? How does that line up with the 2nd Article of Faith?

I can't believe you just said that, MG.

From where you sit today looking back at that time/place, what would you have done differently?

Regards,
MG

[_harmony]

From where you sit today looking back at that time/place, what would you have done differently?

Regards,
MG

God's words are filtered through whoever has the pen at the time, MG. It's always men holding that pen. All the scriptures tell us is what the men at the time want us to know. It's up to us to take that which is valuable to us and use it, and disregard the rest.