A new viewpoint

[_harmony]

As I stated to this post on the MAD board, the Federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) keeps any state from having to recognize a union or relationship between two people of the same sex as a marriage, even if that relationship were considered a marriage in another state. In other words, same-sex marriage would have to be legal in Utah (or wherever else BYU has a campus) for the couple to claim they had a legal marriage. As long as BYU campuses are not located in states with legal same-sex marriages, they can forbid homosexual activity all they want, because they don't have to regard the relationship as a marriage in the first place.

Reason enough for its complete repeal.

Gay marriage in Utah anytime soon?

Then it's all just smoke and mirrors, as usual. There's no crisis, nothing to defend against, so our leaders have invented one (with a little help from our friends, the Catholics). Why am I not surprised?

[_neworder]

GoodK, stealing "yes on 8" signs doesn't do anyone any good. While it may feel satisfying in the heat of the moment, it is likely to hurt the cause more than help it. The more visible is right-wing homophobia, the more people will realize it's a problem. But when the news agencies run stories about Prop 8's opponents stealing signs and otherwise breaking the law, we look like the bad guys and the threat to orderly society.

Kind of off topic but....

It is not stealing signs if they put them up on public property where signs are not allowed. I have removed quite a few signs off telephone poles, freeway turn offs, etc. Some people think they can put a sign up anywhere but in reality they are littering.

I don't care about garage/yard sales and the like but I hate when people put up those "Earn 30-80K a month! Call Now!" wherever they feel like putting them.

The same could be said about YES or NO Prop 8 signs, if they are in place where they should not belong, feel free to yank them down.

[_Dr. Shades]

I would hold hands with you, Shades.

You obviously haven't seen a recent picture of me.

[_GoodK]

GoodK, stealing "yes on 8" signs doesn't do anyone any good.

Maybe, maybe not. But putting up five prop 8 signs from my house to the freeway isn't going to do anyone any good either, now.

But when the news agencies run stories about Prop 8's opponents stealing signs and otherwise breaking the law,

I don't know. I don't have any faith that these idiots are going to come take down their plastic signs after the election is over. SO they plan on leaving these plastic hate signs to biodegrade over the next thousand or so years - and I'm the bad guy?

[_Brackite]

Hello all Here,

A lot of People are Voting Yes for Proposition 8 in California, and most People who are Voting Yes for Proposition 102 within Arizona, Not because they are People who hate Gay People, but because they do Personally do Believe in the Traditional definition of Marriage, which is Marriage between one man and one woman. While, I don't think that Proposition 8 out in California, won't be able to receive quite enough votes to Pass in California, I do think that Proposition 102 in Arizona, will definitely have enough votes to Pass in Arizona. I will definitely be ok with and respect the decision of SSM being legal in California, if the majority of voters in California decide to not Pass Proposition 8.

Proposition 102 within the State of Arizona is very likely to Pass on November 4th within there. Will You be ok with and respect the decision of the majority of Voters within the State of Arizona, Passing Proposition 102 within there, which will secure the traditional definition of Marriage, within the Arizona State Constitution???

[_GoodK]

A lot of People are Voting Yes for [Prop H8] not because they are People who hate Gay People, but because they do Personally do Believe in the Traditional definition of Marriage, which is Marriage between one man and one woman.

Nonsense. That's a cop out.

Will You be ok with and respect the decision of the majority of Voters within the State of Arizona, Passing Proposition 102 within there, which will secure the traditional definition of Marriage, within the Arizona State Constitution???

Well in my opinion, anyone that chooses to live in Arizona deserves what they get - but I personally will not "be OK" and "respect" the decision to discriminate against a group of people. Even in Arizona.

[_skippy the dead]

Hello all Here,

A lot of People are Voting Yes for Proposition 8 in California, and most People who are Voting Yes for Proposition 102 within Arizona, Not because they are People who hate Gay People, but because they do Personally do Believe in the Traditional definition of Marriage, which is Marriage between one man and one woman. While, I don't think that Proposition 8 out in California, won't be able to receive quite enough votes to Pass in California, I do think that Proposition 102 in Arizona, will definitely have enough votes to Pass in Arizona. I will definitely be ok with and respect the decision of SSM being legal in California, if the majority of voters in California decide to not Pass Proposition 8.

Proposition 102 within the State of Arizona is very likely to Pass on November 4th within there. Will You be ok with and respect the decision of the majority of Voters within the State of Arizona, Passing Proposition 102 within there, which will secure the traditional definition of Marriage, within the Arizona State Constitution???

I nominate this for the weirdest capitalization in a post ever.

[_Brackite]

My Capitalization has been discussed here before, On this Message Board.

Please Check Out and see:

Who Is the Mysterious Brackite?


Anyway, Do You have an Answer to My Question within From My Post above here?

Here it is Again:

Will You be ok with and respect the decision of the majority of Voters within the State of Arizona, Passing Proposition 102 within there, which will secure the traditional definition of Marriage, within the Arizona State Constitution???

[_Yoda]

Will You be ok with and respect the decision of the majority of Voters within the State of Arizona, Passing Proposition 102 within there, which will secure the traditional definition of Marriage, within the Arizona State Constitution???

As long as the true will of the people wins out, I'm fine with it. I just hate the fact that most of these propositions end up coming down to dollars and cents.

I'm surprised that the Church hasn't done more to promote this Arizona proposition. This is the first I have heard of it. Arizona is actually populated with quite a few Mormons. Does Church headquarters think that the Arizona Mormons are "less worthy" of this passing than the California Mormons? ;)

[_Brackite]

A lot of People are Voting Yes for [Prop H8] not because they are People who hate Gay People, but because they do Personally do Believe in the Traditional definition of Marriage, which is Marriage between one man and one woman.

Nonsense. That's a cop out.

Like it or not, That is the Traditional view and definition of Marriage; one man and one woman. Nearly all of the People throughout History have Traditionally viewed Marriage, as between a man and a Woman. And most People today still believe in the Traditional view and definition of Marriage, as one man and one woman.