The Idiocy of Modern Mormonism.

[_The Dude]

That he's still gripped by a "testimony" is the real tragedy, if you ask me.

Will Quinn learn to hate the church that hates him once he stops hating himself?

[_bcspace]

I don't see Christ in you. I don't see Christ in those who defend Mormonism,

Which make me quite certain you don't know what to look for. You've been trained to recognize only one aspect of Christ and you apply it everywhere. That is actually the only real problem with modern Mormonism, the lack of knowing all the aspects of Christ.

[_Mister Scratch]

Perhaps ironically, from what I understand, Quinn still affirms he has a "testimony" of the gospel. Is that so?

This kind of seems to miss the point. Unless, of course, one regards Mopologetics as "the gospel."

[_harmony]

I don't see Christ in you. I don't see Christ in those who defend Mormonism,

Which make me quite certain you don't know what to look for. You've been trained to recognize only one aspect of Christ and you apply it everywhere. That is actually the only real problem with modern Mormonism, the lack of knowing all the aspects of Christ.

It should be relatively easy to spot the most obvious Christ-like characteristics though... shouldn't it?

Hiding information is not God's way. Ridiculing others is not God's way. Spying on people is not God's way.

[_bcspace]

It should be relatively easy to spot the most obvious Christ-like characteristics though... shouldn't it?

Not if you've been conditioned to see only certain aspects. Then it IS easy to see only those characteristics.

Hiding information is not God's way.

Tell no man....

Ridiculing others is not God's way.

Hypocrite! Whited Sepulchres.

Spying on people is not God's way.

I don't think you've fully explored the case of survellliance here. However, I do believe there is a verse for keeping records of what the enemies of the Church are doing.

[_JustMe]

Ray A:
If you want happiness in life - avoid religion like the plague. Because it will emotionally, mentally, and spiritually devour you, until there's nothing left to own in your soul.

JustMe:
This is just so not anywhere near my life time's experience. Sorry Ray, I just simply do't see eye to eye with you on this silliness against religion.

[_Mister Scratch]

Ray A:
If you want happiness in life - avoid religion like the plague. Because it will emotionally, mentally, and spiritually devour you, until there's nothing left to own in your soul.

JustMe:
This is just so not anywhere near my life time's experience. Sorry Ray, I just simply do't see eye to eye with you on this silliness against religion.

What about Ray's views on Mopologetics? It seems to me that his commentary vis-a-vis religion is very closely bound up with his views on FARMS and LDS apologetic practices.

[_Pokatator]

Which make me quite certain you don't know what to look for. You've been trained to recognize only one aspect of Christ and you apply it everywhere. That is actually the only real problem with modern Mormonism, the lack of knowing all the aspects of Christ.

What an over simplification, I see tons of real problems and a bunch of phony answers.

[_solomarineris]

Well, folks, this might be my finale, but don't count entirely on it.
They destroyed Michael Quinn. They destroyed his life, and his career. All of the "apologists". Yet HE was the one who freed me from so many delusions. He told truths that should have been told a century ago, in contrast to the stoopid hagiography of apologetic idiots like Francis Gibbons. HE was the one willing to give me a genuine choice of whether or not I should ever have become a Mormon, because he believed in "free agency". You still wonder why I admire the man so much? Because he epitomised, in reality, what Mormon leaders have advocated from the beginning, but became distorted along the way, that ALL TRUTH should be embraced by Mormons, including truths that are unpalatable.

You're wrong!
Nobody destroyed Michael Quinn, but himself....
He might as well be one of those Houston Chronicle selling Hobos that I see everyday driving at work in every intersection.
Who'se fault is that?
What gives? The guy has as many decorated diplomas as my physician wife has which a room cannot suffice to hang them all!!!
He is a brilliant historian, somehow his maturity got arrested along the way.
Look at Grant palmer, Dan Vogel & many other writers...They didn't succumb into muck.
I almost can guarantee you that I'd get the the job in any Mormon stronghold Universities, Arizona, Utah State, Idaho...You name it. With that many credentials, accolades they'd jump on your lap.
If this guy chose to pussyfoot around life, he can only blame himself.
I don't buy any of the excuses anybody offers.

[_bcspace]

What an over simplification, I see tons of real problems and a bunch of phony answers.

I don't see any list....