Moniker wrote:I'm going to ask marg and liz to please stop.
And I'm going to ask you Moniker to stop complaining about men when much of what you post as your initial post in this thread illustrated, is responsible for their reactions.
I'm really tired and this won't be long, at all. I think what has happened is simliar to the reasons that being a homosexual is used as a slur on this board at the same time that bigots are called out. I don't understand that. Yet, I do better understand this culture. I was naïve about how the Church taught the men and women to view those on the "outside". I had NO clue. I didn't. I think I sat down in the lotus position, poured gasoline over me, then someone threw a match! I didn't know the firestorm that would erupt from some things I wrote. NOW, I refuse to be shamed because of them.
There's no firestorm.
This is what I wrote you in pm. "First off, I think it great that Gaz is speaking his mind rather than his usual regurgitation of scripture. But the issue here Moniker, is not Gaz being called out for his sentiment towards "sexual deviance" but rather what those sentiments were..extremely vicious and violent. Not that Gaz truly believes what he expresses or would act in real life that way. But certainly his sentiments if true show a violent nature if acted upon would be legally criminal. The antitheses of being Christ like. So it is quite understandable why Gaz would treat you as a human with respect, but it is not acceptable in real life that Gaz react to homosexuality as he does on the board."
So just because Gaz treats you a particular way which you find commendable, that has nothing to do with his reaction to homosexuality.
And quite frankly your listing all your sexual interests, standards etc would do nothing to discourage the very sort of reaction from men you complain about, but rather once again illicit the same.
Don't be ashamed. If you are not ashamed there is no reason to be upset about anyone's negative comments to you in email..ignore them or tell them to “F” off. But don't be surprised by the reactions.
I posted my earlier post for a specific reason.
Sheesh Moniker don't you get it. It is not a surprise Gaz reacted to you in a non sexual manner. But that's not because of anything you did. You seem to be actually surprised by his reaction to you.
Gaz, prayer doesn't work, for me. :) I did pray because I promised you I would. Zip. Nil. No results. I did it because I knew you wanted to share with me something that you feel passionate about and was your cultural experience. When others on this board find out that I am not alarmed at some of the Church practices they labeled me stupid or naïve -- about to be converted. I viewed it, always, as a learning experience. Like you know I grew up in Japan for a few years and there was a Shinto shrine by my home. I participated in all the festivities (even was allowed to sip sake -- my parents are sinners, too!), etc... Was I a Shintoist? No. I love the culture that created that religion, though.
I will never be religious or have a belief in God. My faith (and it is that....) lies with humans. That's probably, at times, more foolish than belief in God for an atheist.
You're being careful with your words in your replies. Here's the thing, gaz. You took someone that you knew she felt ZIP about prayer, that joked about things you were QUITE serious about and then you just gave up and started talking to ME. You ask me where I am, where have I been, you ask me what's going on, and OFTEN you ask me if you've said anything to offend me.
If the other ladies could stop, now. I know the sentiments that each of you hold.
Stop? Stop what. Stop expressing an opinion? I'm not making attacks or ad hominem posts. You are the one not acknowledging on this thread, that your post may not have been the best personal choice to make in order to discourage the very sorts of responses you've been complaining about getting from men.
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by the way, I find your speech about homosexuals something that I would label hate speech. A few people on the board know (and I don't know if I told you or not) that my brother died of AIDS (spinal meningitis) when he was 23. I have friends that are homosexual. I just don't care. I don't care if it's a choice or if it's inherited -- I don't even think that makes a difference, at all.
Anyway. I guess that's all I wanted to say.
What Gaz should consider is what are the benefits to being gay. Why would someone choose that.