Keith Oberman's eloquent message to Mormons?

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BS. Wake up, bright boy. Your "Leave it to Beaver" fantasy never actually existed. Today the nuclear family hardly exists. People in this country are free to choose their gender roles, marriage and family. That's what freedom is all about. It you want to force everyone to act a certain way, you should have chosen Satan's side in the preexistence.


You might keep making my own argument for me this way, but I still prefer my own (for various reasons). The proliferation of homosexual behavior (and bi-sexuality), the homosexual rights movement, the homosexual marriage movement, the breakdown and disintegration of the traditional natural family, the war against heterosexual marriage, family, motherhood, men, and fatherhood fomented and promoted by feminism and continued by the broader cultural Left, the rise of heterosexual cohabitation and the rise of sex among youth of earlier and earlier ages, the continuing sexualization of children, the legitimatization of no-fault divorce and the divorce culture, all gestated from the same womb and all have culminated in where we stand today morally and spiritually in western and American societies.

The rise and legitimization of homosexuality as a social force seeking moral and social equality within this heterodox sexual arena is but one symptom of a much deeper phenomena that began in the late sixties and has continued unabated to the present.

Homosexuals should not feel picked on by Mormons. We're against the entire festering cultural cesspool into which people like you have, over the last forty years, plunged us all.
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All of this could easily have been shortened to: The Bible says so.


But, as people like you are a law unto yourselves, and will not accept the laws of God, extended argument is all that left to us.
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Droopy wrote:
But, as people like you are a law unto yourselves, and will not accept the laws of God, extended argument is all that left to us.


Hey, I thought you were here for fun?

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Rollo

Today the nuclear family hardly exists. People in this country are free to choose their gender roles, marriage and family. That's what freedom is all about.


Tell me what freedom of choice the children have?
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Today the nuclear family hardly exists. People in this country are free to choose their gender roles, marriage and family. That's what freedom is all about.


Actually, that's not what a philosophically or morally mature understanding of freedom is about at all.

But who here will "endure sound doctrine"?

Don't answer that.
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Droopy wrote:
But who here will "endure sound doctrine"?


I haven't seen any yet (?)
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asbestosman wrote:So is religion, but it is protected. That's my point. If religion is protected, then why can't sexual orientation be protected? In fact, I believe it is in the CA state constitution. I'd tell you to ask Rollo, but somehow I doubt you'd care about what he says.

You are correct. Religion is protected under the U.S. Constitution and the CA state constitution (in fact, the CA Supreme Court pointed out that the protection of religion serves as precedent to find a suspect class (such as homosexuals) even if an innate characteristic or genetic link is not shown (as it is for race and gender)).
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Droopy wrote:Homosexuals should not feel picked on by Mormons. We're against the entire festering cultural cesspool into which people like you have, over the last forty years, plunged us all.

More BS. Homosexuals constitute the ONLY group in your proverbial "cultural cesspool" at which the Mormon Church has mustered its minions to take away a constitutional right. The Church has left the other "sinners" alone.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Jersey Girl wrote:Tell me what freedom of choice the children have?

The same choice they've always had regardless of whether they have heterosexual or homosexual parents.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Droopy wrote:
Today the nuclear family hardly exists. People in this country are free to choose their gender roles, marriage and family. That's what freedom is all about.

Actually, that's not what a philosophically or morally mature understanding of freedom is about at all.

Wasn't that Lucifer's argument?
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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