So what do Ca gays do now?

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_Rollo Tomasi
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Re: So what do Ca gays do now?

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Droopy wrote:Again Rollo assumes the existence of fictitious and, as of yet, undemonstrated constitutional "rights" that never entered the heads of the founders.

Equal protection certainly entered their heads. And from that we got Loving v. Virginia and In re Marriage Cases.

The fictitious "right" to homosexual marriage is of precisely the same logical, legal, and philosophical weight as the equally phantasmal "penumbras" and "emanations" that were said to lurk within the Constitution and were conjured from their ancient slumbers to support Roe.

It's called the right to privacy, and it's the only thing that protects boneheads like you.

Interesting too is that in the last 25 years or so it has almost been exclusively homosexual "rights" groups that burst into churches, assault parishioners, throw condoms at them, deface churches with spray paint and vicious graffiti, and violate the actual constitutional rights of others to speak, assemble, and support openly that which they believe to be right.

None of which compares to the murder and violence inflicted on homosexuals by those heterosexual paragons of virtue.

Rollo is such a typical liberal in that he doesn't understand what the constitution actually says, and even worse, doesn't really care. His constitution is the "living document"; the bastard offspring of critical legal theory and the Nietzscheization of western culture.

The U.S. Supreme Courts says what the Constitution actually says. That's the judiciary system set up by our "leftist" Founding Fathers. So blame them, Loran.

The only important thing is that he baths continually in his own moral pomposity and attacks the motives and character of those who disagree with him because he really doesn't have any philosophically or legally substantive arguments to make, which is another reason he relies exclusively on case law and legal precedent, rather than the original intent of the Constitution itself, and why he hurls moral invective at opponents of homosexual marriage and substitutes bare assertion for logical argumentation.

I rely on case law and legal precendent because, for the the umpteenth time for Loran's benefit, the judiciary was set up by the Founding Fathers to interpret the Constitution, which is precisely what has been done. The actual language of the Constitution is equal protection under law. That means the gov't set up by the Founding Fathers cannot discriminate, even against idiots like you.

This is all he has , as the Constitution doesn't support him or the movement he supports.

The judiciary interpreting the Constitution says otherwise, and the bigots disagree. I'm glad I'm on the side of the judiciary, and I am certain you will always be on the side of bigotry.
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_Brackite
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Re: So what do Ca gays do now?

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Ray A wrote:
Probably because they weren't fully aware of his views. This would not have been a major focus of his election speeches, and how many would have visited his website I'm not sure. I read in many places on the Internet people quoting Obama as being "against same-sex marriage", which is technically true, but you really had to go to his website to read the "fine print", which I linked on another thread.





Hi Ray A,


There is/was also a News Article, From a Newspaper, within California, in which Senator Barack Obama came out in Opposition to California's Proposition 8. Here is Part of that News Article:


Obama rejects proposed California gay marriage ban

Published: Tuesday, Jul. 01, 2008 | Page 3A

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, who previously said the issue of gay marriage should be left up to each state, has announced his opposition to a California ballot measure that would ban same-sex marriages.

In a letter to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club read Sunday at the group's annual Pride Breakfast in San Francisco, the Illinois senator said he supports extending "fully equal rights and benefits to same-sex couples under both state and federal law."

"And that is why I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states," Obama wrote.

Obama had previously said he opposes same-sex marriage but that each state should make its own decision.



( Link: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1051404.html )




Yet, Here are (again) the Los Angeles County's Election Results for Proposition 8, and for U.S. President:


Los Angeles County Results For Proposition 8:

Yes: --- 1,570,036 ---- 50.1%
No: ---- 1,564,809 ---- 49.9%




( Source And Link: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/19.htm )




U.S. President:
Los Angeles County Results:

Barack Obama (Democrat): --- 2,208,532 ---- 69.1%
John McCain (Rep): ------ 929,506 ---- 29.1%




( Source And Link: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/pres/19.htm )






There were indeed a lot People, within the State of California, who voted for Senator Barack Obama for President, who also voted Yes on Proposition 8. The issue of Same Sex Marriage, is a Tenth Amendment issue, of the Bill of Rights.





Edited To Update Election Results.
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_Jason Bourne
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Rollo

You and I will just have to disagree on this. I do not see bigotry in the motives of many for Prop 8. You think I am full of crap. I understand your view and really I am ok with domestic partnerships so gay people can have all the rights they want. I just feel marriage means a man and a woman. I also feel that for our culture over all that definition is for the long term best. I may be wrong. I do not hate gays. I work with a gay person, have business acquaintances that are gay and gay customers. I have also worked with gay LDS persons in callings I have had. That more than anything has moved me with more compassion towards their plight. Maybe I do have fears that I do not see. I think there was a time I did I will admit. Anyway I respect your position on this and your passion for this as well. I do not think I have much more to add.
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Move to Connecticut, get married and then file suit over the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution. Or, move to Massachussets, get married and invite Mitt Romney to be the Best Man since he signed the law making Gay Marriage legal there? (He did sign it, didn't he? Not let it become law without his signature?)
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