We're bleeding and I think it's terminal

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_harmony
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Re: We're bleeding and I think it's terminal

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The Dude wrote:Gee, I'm surprised I'm not on the list as well, since I take a day off from time to time. It must be a fluke.

Lots of these people are still around and have made recent posts. Blixa posted in this very thread shortly before this list of "losers". What a dis@!


You aren't on the list because you're still an active poster, with more than the occasional comment. Blixa posts only rarely. Runtu even less. Most of that list doesn't post at all anymore.

Losers? I never said they were losers. I said they aren't here, and because they aren't here, our discussions have lost the savor they once had.

Please notice it's not just one side or the other that is on that list. There's posters from both sides on it. The group that is not on that list is posters like PP... the nonsubstance contributors who clutter up the board with nonsense, contribute nothing to the conversation (see his comments on this thread), and are so offensive, even the most devoted have departed. We can certainly count on PP to stick around depositing his mental manure wherever he squats.

Another one left this morning. That's 3 in 3 days. Will anyone notice they are gone? They didn't leave a parting message on any thread, to be a target for snide comments and parting shots from the likes of PP and others. They're just fading away. We are less with their loss.

But by all means, let us all sustain the board as presently constituted. Even after all this time of being away from the church for some of our posters, this place is run just like it. The inability to see one's own bleeding isn't solely a church phenomena. The lack of vision, the brushing aside of suggestions for improvement, the "all's well on the board" is so close to the "All's well in Zion" we're fed from the pulpit, it's incredible.. and pathetic. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Many here have worked so hard to distance themselves from the church, but when they're feeling attacked by someone who's supposed to be one of their own, they turn on the extra viciousness and attack the messenger, ignoring the message itself.

None of you addressed the message. None of you asked why I posted this. None of you got past your kneejerk reaction. Instead, you gloated, you dismissed, you marginalized, you trivialized... anything so you didn't have to focus on what is right in front of you. You attacked the messenger, not the message. If you can't see how that makes you and this board exactly like the church, then you're as blind as the FP.

Welcome to Zion: Shades' Board. The irony drips, even without smilies.

Three more are gone.
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Re: We're bleeding and I think it's terminal

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harmony wrote:None of you addressed the message. None of you asked why I posted this. None of you got past your kneejerk reaction. Instead, you gloated, you dismissed, you marginalized, you trivialized... anything so you didn't have to focus on what is right in front of you. You attacked the messenger, not the message. If you can't see how that makes you and this board exactly like the church, then you're as blind as the FP.

Harmony, I tried to be very respectful in my responses on this thread, even though I disagreed with you. Don't lump us all together.
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Re: We're bleeding and I think it's terminal

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Rollo Tomasi wrote:As far as I know, this is still the only (or one among very few) Mormon-related bb that doesn't censor posters. That freedom is priceless, even if only a few folks are around. Kudos to Doc and his great board.


Thank you very much for the props!

harmony wrote:Please notice it's not just one side or the other that is on that list. There's posters from both sides on it. The group that is not on that list is posters like PP... the nonsubstance contributors who clutter up the board with nonsense, contribute nothing to the conversation (see his comments on this thread), and are so offensive, even the most devoted have departed.


That's what the ignore feature is for. Now nobody has any excuse for complaining about the way other posters choose to interact.

Another one left this morning.


How do you know?

That's 3 in 3 days. Will anyone notice they are gone? They didn't leave a parting message on any thread, to be a target for snide comments and parting shots from the likes of PP and others.


If they didn't leave a parting message, then you have no way of knowing that that's three in three days (or any other number in any other number of days).

They're just fading away. We are less with their loss.


So what are you doing to reverse that trend?

But by all means, let us all sustain the board as presently constituted. Even after all this time of being away from the church for some of our posters, this place is run just like it. The inability to see one's own bleeding isn't solely a church phenomena. The lack of vision, . . .


??? You think this board lacks vision? The first and only LDS-themed board that doesn't censor, ban, or queue posters, and welcomes anyone from any side of the LDS question, and you say we lack vision??

In your opinion, just what, exactly, counts as "vision" if not that?

. . .the brushing aside of suggestions for improvement, . . .


Okay, I give. What are your suggestions for improvement? I promise I won't "brush them aside."

. . . the "all's well on the board" is so close to the "All's well in Zion" we're fed from the pulpit, it's incredible.. and pathetic.


As Rollo Tomasi said, people come and go from message boards all the time. Forgive me for not panicking.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Many here have worked so hard to distance themselves from the church, but when they're feeling attacked by someone who's supposed to be one of their own, they turn on the extra viciousness and attack the messenger, ignoring the message itself.


That's the way 100% of other message boards are, too. In fact, that's the way things were on this board from, quite literally, Day One. Business as usual.

None of you addressed the message. None of you asked why I posted this. None of you got past your kneejerk reaction. Instead, you gloated, you dismissed, you marginalized, you trivialized... anything so you didn't have to focus on what is right in front of you. You attacked the messenger, not the message. If you can't see how that makes you and this board exactly like the church, then you're as blind as the FP.


Okay, let's buck that trend: I respectfully suggest that you list the things that need to be different around here to make this board a good enough place that those posters will return.

I really would like to know.

Three more are gone.


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Can I get back my right to have a signature line? And say whatever I want on it?
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Rollo was respectful

People will come and go. But some that have been key and critical to this board success and keeping it interesting have left. Maybe that is the nature of it. It is too bad that in the great free and open forum that we have here some cannot seem to control themselves and have to be acerbic to the level that it becomes much to toxic. I have often wondered if I would be better off not posting here. Still I come back.
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rcrocket wrote:Can I get back my right to have a signature line? And say whatever I want on it?


No. You do not have the maturity to handle a signature line.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

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Re: We're bleeding and I think it's terminal

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Shades

Perhaps Harm got PMs from some who left. I did.
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Shades, if you're looking for suggestions, make it easier to post!

It's SUCH a pain to only have 2 embedded quotes. So, either take it back to how it was, or have the software automatically remove all but the last 2 quotes when you hit reply.

Plus, I don't like the feature where it makes you re-submit if someone has posted in the time you have been typing.

Oh, and give us smilies.
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Re: We're bleeding and I think it's terminal

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harmony wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:In all honesty, I am sort of stunned to see a post like this from Harmony, of all people. Where is her evidence?


Guy Sager
Froggie
Addictio
Daniel C Peterson
Enuma Elish
Tarski
Kevin Graham/Dartagnon
Tal Bachman
Runtu
The Road to Hana
Lucretia McEvil
huckleberry
maklelan
cksalmon
blixa
Uncle Dale
Dr Steuss
Analytics
Seven
A Light in the Darkness
DonBradley
Barrelomonkeys
Loquacious Lurker
Nephi
LifeonaPlate
charity
BishopRic
Moniker
etc

Where are all these posters? These people added meat to our discussions. They added knowledge and now we are less, because they are not here. They may lurk, they may occasionally post, for the most part, they are not here.

Two more have now dusted us off. Will anyone but me even notice who they are and when they left?

What other evidence is needed, Scratch?


Sorry, Harmony, but I don't think you're making a very good argument. As Rollo, The Dude, and others have pointed out, people come and go. Moniker was here just recently, for example, and other names on your list are problematic. One person continues to post; the name on your list was merely a sockpuppet. In fact a couple of those names are sockpuppets. Tarski and Kevin Graham were both posting rather feverishly leading up to the election....and yet you have aimed a major portion of your criticism at political threads. So is it really just an issue of content?

Also, why is DCP on the list? Did you really feel like he was "adding knowledge" in the bulk of his posts? And anyways, you can virtually guarantee that he'll return. It is just a matter of waiting for him to goof up again.

Another problem is that you are overlooking some of the recent additions, such as the mysterious and extremely knowledgeable poster known as "Tom."

In the end, it seems like you are just trying to force people to post exactly as you please. I.e., you are irritated with certain posters, and want them to shut up. You try to blame PP for driving posters away, but, then again, I was told via PM that Jersey Girl was responsible for driving at least a couple of people away---either due to her obnoxious personality, or due to threats she made to them. Do you care about that? How do you propose dealing with this issue in a fair and impartial way?
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