A MAD Porn Thread

[_Jason Bourne]

I'm interested in what the "tragic consequences" were (beyond excommunication/disfellowship, of course). How, for instance, did the porn "destroy both women and men"? Did they die while looking at it or something?

I have seen porn addicts who have viewed hard core push for their wives to become involved and/or wanted spouses to act out certain things and sexual activity they had watched. In one instance when a wife resisted the husband would become angry. Their marriage declined and he ended up committing adultery with a young woman he worked with. His marriage fell apart, he lost his job because of the affair with a subordinate, he was excommunicated. Do you not think that porn was part of the destruction of his life? I could tell a number more stories like this.

[_Jason Bourne]

"Tragic consequences?" What, like they couldn't take the sacrament that week? Or maybe... *gasp* someone touched themselves? Next thing you know, they'll get a little more enjoyment from riding a motor cycle than they should.

The horror!!

(Religious folks are simply too easy to make fun of. They're like a comic book waiting to be written).

Non believers are so predictably arrogant, conceited,self assured and absorbed as well as condescending. They are like an ACLU attorney waiting to protect most things obscene.

[_mentalgymnast]

I'm saying no one died because of porn. (Please understand that I hate porn, but I'm not willing to exaggerate to make a point). And it seems to me for something to be a "scourge", lots and lots and LOTS of people need to have died... directly!... because of it.

A scourge can be defined (as I said earlier) as, "a cause of wide or great affliction". It doesn't have to cause physical death. Would you agree that porn is a cause of wide or great affliction?

Regards,
MG

[_Jason Bourne]

So what is going on?

It seems to me that porn 'addiction' seems to be a scourge for people who are forbidden to look at it. And I don't think it is just because LDS and other fundy organisations are more likely to make a fuss over it. Being forbidden to enjoy sexuality seems to create some sort of compulsion to find an outlet. Possibly it is just that porn is easier to engage in than visiting prostitutes or becoming a peeping tom .

I seem to recall reading some information along these lines but can't think where, does anyone have any information on the psychology of porn?

Some of what you say is true. Religious organizations that use a lot of shame seem to have adherents that struggle with sexual addictions and compulsions. However such problems are certainly not limited to religious folks. If you are interested in this check out this book by Patrick Carnes who is one of the foremost experts on this.

http://www.amazon.com/Out-Shadows-Under ... 1568380550

[_harmony]

I'm saying no one died because of porn. (Please understand that I hate porn, but I'm not willing to exaggerate to make a point). And it seems to me for something to be a "scourge", lots and lots and LOTS of people need to have died... directly!... because of it.

A scourge can be defined (as I said earlier) as, "a cause of wide or great affliction". It doesn't have to cause physical death. Would you agree that porn is a cause of wide or great affliction?

Regards,
MG

Relatively speaking... no.

[_mentalgymnast]

Speaking of lame, this is one of the lamest responses I've seen you make harmony. And you've made some lame ones along the way, in my opinion.

Now see? That is a personal attack. My lameness or lack of lameness is not the subject of this thread. Try to stick to the subject: porn.

Not up to PP's standard, but still...

I'll take that as a compliment.

I think you have a low estimation of the amount of harm and destruction porn is causing throughout the world. That's where I came across in saying your post was somewhat lame or at least short sighted. But I apologize. That was a personal insult. My bad.

Regards,
MG

[_harmony]

I think you have a low estimation of the amount of harm and destruction porn is causing throughout the world. That's where I came across in saying your post was somewhat lame or at least short sighted. But I apologize. That was a personal insult. My bad.

Regards,
MG

Apology accepted.

Porn is pictures and words, nothing more. It doesn't kill people. Exactly what are you referring to when you say "harm and destruction"? When I'm talking "scourge", I'm talking fear... terror... death. I'm talking AIDS, the plague, smallpox. How can porn cause that kind of destruction?

[_mentalgymnast]

Broken families? Wayward or dysfunctional children? Marriages that go down the tubes?

And...? How do you propose to explain that porn would be the direct cause of this? This is a classic case of cum hoc, ergo propter hoc. Correlation does not equal causation, MG. Obviously, each of the people referred to in the above MAD post were also LDS. Does that therefore mean that we could blame Mormonism for the "broken families" and so on?

Can you think of any others? Spiritual death and/or decay for example?

Hey, if you can offer up concrete proof of those things occurring, I'd love to see it.

If you're not able to or if you're unwilling to come up with some of the negative consequences of porn addictions and/or viewing, go back and read some of the links I referred you to if you're a bit wishy washy as what they may be.

Regards,
MG

The links aren't persuasive, MG.

The boiling frog story states that a frog can be boiled alive if the water is heated slowly enough — it is said that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will never jump out.

Now this story cannot be used to justify what may appear to be a rational or at least reasonable argument such as "porn use will gradually and most assuredly leading to broken families" or "porn use will often act as a catalyst in causing a marriage to fail". A slippery slope argument that does not prove each step is a logical fallacy. So Scratch, I can't prove by cause and effect that porn always results in broken homes, broken marriages, and in some cases dysfunctional children.

It's a gut feeling. But I'm personally willing to go with it.

What does your gut feeling tell you? Porn is healthy? Porn is good?

Do you make a habit of viewing porn? by the way, if porn is healthy and good there should be no shame in answering this question.

*If so, was there a time in the past that you felt as though it was dirty and/or smutty to do so?
*Do you find yourself the better person as a result of viewing porn in your own estimation?
*Does your wife value your involvement in porn?

by the way, if you are not a viewer of porn, I would've course encourage you to disregard the three asterisked questions as they would obviously not apply to you.

Regards,
MG

[_Gadianton]

If porn is "the scourge" what does that make the Marriott? And if it's "the scourge" behind all other scourges, the core issue, why not bankroll campaigns against porn and start cleaning house with the GA's and bishops who no doubt sneak it in rather than worrying about gay marriage? Obviously, if you put a stop to porn, people won't be gay anymore.

Also, wasn't it Old Man Oaks or someone who said a few years back that AIDS was "the scourge"?

[_harmony]

The boiling frog story states that a frog can be boiled alive if the water is heated slowly enough — it is said that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will never jump out.

Actually, this story has been debunked. Someone will be able to supply a link, I'm sure.

It's a gut feeling. But I'm personally willing to go with it.

You're basing your entire argument on your gut feeling? Have you considered Tums?

What does your gut feeling tell you? Porn is healthy? Porn is good?

That is not what I, at least, am saying. The point was made that porn is a scourge, or the scourge of modern day life. I say it's not. It's not healthy, and it's not good, but it's also not a scourge.