Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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Jason Bourne wrote:

This is an outrage. Something very immoral is going on or the church's incompetance has been demonstrated on earthshattering proportions.


Why is this an outrage? Why is it immoral? What specifically is incompetent?

Even assuming the numbers you are all throwing around are accurate, which is dubious at best, this does not mean it is immoral or an outrage. You and I may think the LDS Church ought to spend their money on something else but guess what? It is not your decision nor mine. And just because we thing it ought to be spent on something else does not mean something immoral or underhanded is going on.


Did you see the point of comparison I made? The 12TH MOST EXPENSIVE MAN MADE OBJECT. If we assume the numbers are real, then something has to be terribly wrong.
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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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Jason,

Yes, I mentioned numbers. Yes he confirmed the numbers I gave, mentioned as two billion to four billion. He didn't object to mentioning four billion, so Jason, this is quite possibly worse than I and others have originally stated.

Holly, the wife of this man stated that it was the GC that the church always uses but I can't remember the name of the company.

He was very cagey as soon as I started talking budget. He majored in finance so my questioning was along costs and budgets. My exact words were "what do you buy with two billion dollars?" He shrugged, laughed nervously and looked down. I changed the subject after discussing the city creek project for roguhly two minutes as he was geting uneasy about talking about budgets. I am not saying he is involved with laundering the money but one could assume he thoought something was funny about the whole project.

Please remove my username and other pertinent information if anyone wants to cross post this elsewhere.

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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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He didn't object to mentioning four billion


I've seen this number elsewhere too, and higher, but I felt it would be best to give the church the "benefit of the doubt". If this figure is right, than it's the 8th most expensive human built object ever.
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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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Gadianton wrote:Did you see the point of comparison I made? The 12TH MOST EXPENSIVE MAN MADE OBJECT. If we assume the numbers are real, then something has to be terribly wrong.


This is the crux of the issue. If it actually costs several million to build the City Creek venture then WHERE exactly is the rest of the money?

What the SLC olympics did was put a true face on SLC politicking and development. Corrupt, backrubing old money twats that take any chance they can to be underhanded, deploying the kickback system as a GIVEN.

This is my central point. They are used to redirecting money and gifts. Its a given in their world. its how they stay in power because they are used to taking what should not be theirs and repurposing it to their friends and family.
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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:Wow!? It seems to me that it is literally impossible that some kind of graft didn't occur during the building of this.

Of course! And you need no proof whatsoever to slander and libel those you disdain. All you need is innuendo.

How can you be such a sucker?If you are a tithe paying member,THEY ARE SPENDING YOUR MONEY, not mine.
Can you ask where your money goes?

JasonBourne
Why is this an outrage? Why is it immoral? What specifically is incompetent?


If you didn't figure out by now,
You never will....
Just keep forking out tithing.....

Incredible, a smart guy like you swallows this scam...
there's no hope....
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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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The members won't question it. If the lord wants to spend $2-4 billion on a mall project, who are we to question it? I don't pay tithing, so I don't care. Members who do pay tithing don't care, which strikes me as odd, but oh well.
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Mister Scratch wrote:It seems to me that it is literally impossible that some kind of graft didn't occur during the building of this.


It seems to me that it is literally impossible that Scratch is not a convicted pedophile. Wow!!!! Baseless accusations are fun.
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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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Jason Bourne wrote:
More harassment and ad hominem attack from Jason Bourne.


There was not one ad hominem attack. I simply describe what you do.


No, you did not. You have *never* provided concrete evidence to prove your accusations. You are in here bleating like an old goat. You seldom ever contribute any substance, and, frankly, I have grown quite weary of your 3rd grade spelling and writing ability. Honestly, did you get beyond middle school? Use a spell checker for crying out loud.

Live with it or change it. I will continue to hold your feet to the fire on this so at least some can see that not everyone here buys your nonesense.


Very well. The same goes for you, Jason. You can start posting substance, or else I will hound you. Clean up your endless typos. Cease the ad hominem attacks. Post more beside your stupid, pestering questions.


Are you capable of participating on a thread with me without devolving into these kinds of attacks, man?


Oh stop whining. I posted some substantive stuff here. Deal with it or shut up.


Oh, really? Where? Where is the substance? I see your usual, misspelled, one-liner series of questions. You have nothing to offer. You have a few women poster who like you because you don't ever do anything provocative, but aside from that, what do you contribute to the board? When was the last time you began a thread of your own? Instead, you leech off others posts, surfacing to peck at the crumbs of other people's interesting and compelling observations. The truth is that you are a bottom-feeder, Jason. And there's no need for that. As you constantly remind Antishock: you seem to be a bright fellow (beyond your ridiculous typos, anyway). Try actually posting interesting subject matter for once in your life. Try contributing some actual content. Try writing posts that consist of something beyond one-liner questions and whiny, billy-goat grumpiness. You can do it.
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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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Something smells about all of this... and badly. The books should be opened. The dealings transparent and accountable to the membership. I would not be at all surprised if money is lining the pockets of friends and relations of the GAs. A little disappointed, but not terribly surprised.
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Re: Who are they dealin with for the $2billion?

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SatanWasSetUp wrote:The members won't question it. If the lord wants to spend $2-4 billion on a mall project, who are we to question it? I don't pay tithing, so I don't care. Members who do pay tithing don't care, which strikes me as odd, but oh well.


You may not care but you should if you are a taxpayer..
As such taxpayers are subsidizing religions when tithing and properties forgo taxes. We all pay higher taxes to meet the needs of society.
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