even ONE archaelogical Book of Mormon find?

[_Bond James Bond]

The Book of Mormon describes the Nephite Army as numbering close to a million men. To field, fully equip and support a million men iron age army a civilization would have to be very large and very complex. It would need to produce huge amounts of food, cloths, and weapons, and it would need a reliable communication and transportation system. These types of numbers would indicate a civilization the size of the Roman empire. This was no minor tribe huddled in a corner of the Yucatan Peninsula. A civilization of this size and complexity would leave evidences of its existence.

Totally. The military issue and the amount of infrastructure to support such an endeavor [a million men would be at least twice what the Romans mobilized in their mobilization heyday] not to mention the millions of more farmers to feed them is mind boggling. It really irritates me that a historian such as Hamblin [who wrote a book on ancient military right?] doesn't follow this line of thinking more logically.

[_bcspace]

Is there even one credible archaeoligical find that points to ANY Book of Mormon connection? One?

I like the Professor Anthon's unwitting showing of the similarity of the Book of Mormon characters with the glyphs of Otolum found by Professor Rafinesque.

Millions upon millions in the civilization in the book. Where is any evidence at all?

Why does there need to be? The Bible has some confirmations yet I'm sure many in this board don't accept it as the word of God.

[_Scottie]

Why does there need to be? The Bible has some confirmations yet I'm sure many in this board don't accept it as the word of God.

But we can at least accept parts of it as a historical document.

We can't say the same for the Book of Mormon, except maybe to peer into the mind of 19th century thinking.

[_bcspace]

The Book of Mormon describes the Nephite Army as numbering close to a million men.

Get your facts straight.

To field, fully equip and support a million men iron age army a civilization would have to be very large and very complex.

The event I think you are refering to says it took two years to biuld that army. The casualties listed include women and children also as a city after city went down. I doubt the armies involved were any larger than Hannibal's and Scipio's.

It would need to produce huge amounts of food, cloths, and weapons, and it would need a reliable communication and transportation system. These types of numbers would indicate a civilization the size of the Roman empire. This was no minor tribe huddled in a corner of the Yucatan Peninsula. A civilization of this size and complexity would leave evidences of its existence.

Sure. But why should we have found such evidence by now? For that which we have recently found out about say, the Maya and Olmec civilzations, why didn't anyone complain about the lack of such findings years ago?

Why the silence?

What silence? No one is hiding anything or involved in a cover up that you know of. "Paranoia, they destroy ya."

But we can at least accept parts of it as a historical document.

What does that accomplish? Anyone can write historical fiction. That's all the Bible is at best and will ever be to one without faith.

We can't say the same for the Book of Mormon, except maybe to peer into the mind of 19th century thinking.

So? Troy was considered a mythical city for many centuries; until they found it.

[_Scottie]

But we can at least accept parts of it as a historical document.

What does that accomplish? Anyone can write historical fiction. That's all the Bible is at best and will ever be to one without faith.

You're exactly right!

We can't say the same for the Book of Mormon, except maybe to peer into the mind of 19th century thinking.

So? Troy was considered a mythical city for many centuries; until they found it.

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Ahh...the old "just because they haven't found it doesn't mean it isn't there" argument.

[_bcspace]

What does that accomplish? Anyone can write historical fiction. That's all the Bible is at best and will ever be to one without faith.

You're exactly right!

Just typical bcspace ;)

Consider, will there ever be any archeological evidence that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that he atoned for our sins? Of course not. The ark could be discovered and numbers Judeo-Christian adherents won't signifcantly increase.

Thus, going down this path in the search for the truth of God will always be fruitless.

So? Troy was considered a mythical city for many centuries; until they found it.

Ahh...the old "just because they haven't found it doesn't mean it isn't there" argument.

An unavoidable truism bolstered by the scientific method.

[_Scottie]

An unavoidable truism bolstered by the scientific method.

Well, in the sense of fairness, could you please keep an open mind about Xenu, Buddah, Zeus, Vulcan, and a million other gods that are worshipped, but we haven't found any proof yet?

I think you should give equal spiritual testing to each of these to see if you get a spiritual confirmation, since evidence is irrelevant.

[_bcspace]

An unavoidable truism bolstered by the scientific method.

Well, in the sense of fairness, could you please keep an open mind about Xenu, Buddah, Zeus, Vulcan, and a million other gods that are worshipped, but we haven't found any proof yet?

Now you've switched from archeological evidence to faith.

I think you should give equal spiritual testing to each of these to see if you get a spiritual confirmation,

What's my incentive?

since evidence is irrelevant.

I never said or implied that.

[_cinepro]

Is there even one credible archaeoligical find that points to ANY Book of Mormon connection? One?

With all the steel, silks, writings and civilization can't someone fine at least one piece of Book of Mormon artifact?

Millions upon millions in the civilization in the book. Where is any evidence at all?

You're asking the wrong questions. If you can just convince yourself that the Mayans were Nephites, then every Mayan archaeological find is a de facto Book of Mormon find. It's like a two-for-one sale on Mesoamerican archaeology.

[_bcspace]

If you can just convince yourself that the Mayans were Nephites, then every Mayan archaeological find is a de facto Book of Mormon find.

It's fun to speculate, but I don't think this is necessary at all.