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[_GoodK]

Frank Reese and Jeff Murdock are the therapists for kids in E Home - the home for kids with " sexual issues ". Reese did the infamous "tuesday" night group, which was also for sexual issues. Sort of like what Evergreen sounds like.

[_marg]

Eric,

Dave Condie said that Craig Ramsey was the one inflicting pain by holding him down and digging his elbow into his back making him confess to things he didn't do, it appears his parents were present at the time. This occurred sometime between 1993 and 1996. When he first went to Utah Ranch he was 13 years old. He mentions that Craig Ramsey lost his therapist license I believe in 2001.

At the time you were there, were they still using force with pain to make people confess? Is this a practice that Jeff Mudock and Frank Reese use, physical force, holding people down until they confess?

by the way it seems to me that it is in the interests of these behavior modification schools to get confessions because if people have no issues there's no reason to be there and if they release them they've lost income. So of course they are highly motivated to find whatever it is that would justify keeping patients there. Unless they are having to turn down people wanting to put their kids into the program.

If you are using your phone to reply...no need to answer.

[_Dr. Shades]

That letter was quite disturbing, to say the least.

I'm curious about a few details revealed within it. GoodK, will you please share what you know?

• What on earth is "holding therapy?"
• The letter states, "Had I not lied, he would have kept pressing his 250 pounds over my 140 pound frame until I suffocated . . ." What the Hell is he talking about? Was there some sort of deviant who would lay down on the kids??
• It continues, ". . . like those two poor girls they killed almost 10 years ago[.]" First, how is this possible, since as far as I know it was strictly a boys' community back then? Second, if it is true, what was the fallout, what did they tell the coroner, and what did they tell the parents??
• He continues, "He advised you to take me home and instruct me to apply Icy Hot to my penis." Good God, what is this?? Was this commonly advised that parents do to their kids? If so, why? And were kids routinely sent home with their parents? (The picture you painted is that kids have to stay there, not that they get to go on regular home-visits.)
• He also mentioned "deep tissue massage" and "being pummeled in the stomach for two hour sessions at a time." What the Hell is he talking about?

I'm not only deeply disturbed by all the above but, frankly, more than a little confused. Any light you can shed on any of this is greatly appreciated.

[_GoodK]

I haven't talked to Dave about this blog, but I think I can answer some of your questions Shades. As far as the two girls go, it sounds like Dave is talking about something he knows happened in one of his therapists past jobs, perhaps Ramsey worked somewhere else before the ranch, but there were never any girls there. Homevisits did happen for some, and since Dave's parents are from Utah he had a chance to earn weekend home visits.

I don't know what they did in Tuesday night group, which is what Frank Reese did, but this "holding therapy" and icy hotting your member thing do not seem far fetched at all. I think I know what holding therapy is, but I don't think they called it that. I think he is talking about something they did where they wrapped blankets around your body and held you down so you couldn't move. It never happened to me personally, but I remember hearing about it.

[_Dr. Shades]

My gosh, what a bunch of nutjobs. (The therapists, not the kids.)

[_harmony]

My gosh, what a bunch of nutjobs. (The therapists, not the kids.)

And what is the state of Utah doing about it?

[_marg]

My gosh, what a bunch of nutjobs. (The therapists, not the kids.)

I was reading last night Dave's previous blogs on what happened.

The therapist Craig Ramsey does sound like a nut-job, but then again he did lose his license a few years after this period of time. I don't know how much the others mentioned who I believe are still at the Utah Boys Ranch, Mike Ruoho, Frank Reese, Jess Murdock were involved, he's not clear about that.

Anyhow if interested in understanding what happened you can read more

http://davecondie.blog.friendster.com/2005/08/

Apparently by the age of 13 he was diagnosed with reaction attention disorder. When I looked that up I found that it was one of the most poorly understood and misdiagnosed disorders. So he was adopted I believe at about 1 month old. Parents didn't find him showing love they way they expected. He was diagnosed with RAD.

The therapy he received by Craig Ramsey at this ranch was to wrap him in a blanket, arms separate. I believe his feet were held down by someone else and pressure put on his diaphragm to the point he couldn't breathe and that would make him talk.

So Dave made up stuff whatever he thought they wanted to hear to get Craig off him. One of the things he made up was saying he fantasized about having Icy Hot put on his penis. I gather icy hot is put on the skin for sore muscles, on the penis it would be torture. The therapist told his parents to make him put it on at home, which they apparently did. These adults are all a bunch of idiots, his parents, Craig Ramsey and I don't know how much Jeff Murcock and Mike Ruoho were involved or aware.

Since Dave is a really good writer and explains it best himself, I'm going to put what he wrote in one of his blogs about this:

We can make you talk… We have our ways…
Friday, August 12th, 2005

So I was diagnosed with a reactive attachment disorder by the time I was 13 years old. I was a statistic even before my balls dropped.

Reactive Attachment Disorder = Inability to develop a conscience. Unable to trust. Ever. Unless treated.

Treatment… Wrap the kid up snug as a bug in a rug, binding their arms separately so that they are unable to move, applying pressure to their midsection and making them scream until their voice all but disappears into a faint whisper or… A gasp. Sometimes making them throw up, sometimes making them wet themselves. Pain unbearable. Tears flow until they are unable to produce anymore. This is how you teach them to trust. This is how you create a safe environment for your child. THIS is how you love the child who doesn’t display their love in the same manner as you.

This is how you make your child hate you even more than they already do.

The belief is that emotions are stored in different areas of the abdomen. Sadness occupying the left region, anger holding steady in the center, fear is opposite to sadness, rage is located right below the ribcage.

I have never been so filled with rage in my entire life when the therapist placed two hundred pounds of unbridled body weight on my diaphragm. I couldn’t breathe, I must have turned a lovely hue of blue. I hope it was azure, I love azure.

My rage would turn to fear, because when you can’t breathe, you feel like you are going to die. I was in fear of death and I was scared. I was terrified that I might not live to see Donna break up with David. Or if they would even break up. I was worried that Brenda would be cut from the show, just because Shannon was such a cold blooded, frigid, gutter slut bitch and I wanted to see how they would write her out. I knew I had to survive, if only to see Kelly lose her virginity, and watch Dylan battle alcoholism.

90210 was my light at the end of the tunnel. Thank you Aaron Spelling.

I had become an emotional anomaly. I couldn’t see which way was up, which way was down. I couldn’t breathe, I had to get them off of me. I’m a helpless 13 year old boy being treated like I’m Hannibal damned Lecter because my real parents couldn’t keep me.

GET OFF OF ME!

The more YOU resist the more THEY persist.

The only thing I could think of, amidst all the flurry of spit, screams and tears, was, "They want to know my secrets… They are going to force the only things that I have, that are MINE, out of me. I’m not going to have my identity anymore because they say I haven’t the right. Because they picked me out of all the other little boys, I am their possession and they get to do what they want with me."

So I started off small. I told them that I had masturbated. Even as a pre-pubescent teen I knew that everyone loves a little sexual scandal? Oooo they LOVED this. (What they didn’t know is that I had never even experienced ejaculation yet.) With my parents sitting in the room, I tell them my fantasies. Or, I tell them some fantastic lies. I tell them things that I thought a normal young man my age might think about when playing with himself. I couldn’t possibly tell them that I was thinking of my gym coach. I couldn’t tell them that I had been watching Joey Rainwater’s dad building his house with his shirt off and drooling over his sweaty hairy chest. I absolutely couldn’t tell them that I fantasized about my Sunday School teachers gigantic package.

So I told them what they wanted to hear. One, I told them that my fantasy was to get a blowjob from a big breasted blonde.

(How do you like that? A pig at such a tender age… 13 and already I
wanted the Barbie doll broad with an insensitive gag reflex. I must have been straight in past lives.)

And two… I told them that I fantasized about lubing up with Icy Hot.

Do. Not. Laugh.

One of the guys on my basketball team told me once that if you put Icy Hot on your prick, you have an insatiable erection for hours and the chicks dig it. I was never dumb enough to do it, I didn’t even know what Icy Hot was… But I assure you, the shrink let me know.

My mother was appalled. My father was probably pissed cause the bitch had never given him head, and the shrink was probably wondering what I looked like naked.

After the initial shock wore off that their precious little boy had touched himself in a lewd and provocative manner, the questions starting pouring out… How long did it take for me to cum? How often was I doing this? Do you know how deviant you are being by touching yourself?

I ended that particular session with an assignment. Go home and put Icy Hot on my penis. We got home and my mom handed it to me and told me to do it or she would call child services.

This is how you establish trust.

Thanks Mom.

[_GoodK]

Well, as a change of pace, I thought I'd share the first ever commercial for the website http://www.MormonGulag.com - which as of late has really taken on a life of its own.

Enjoy everyone -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpHB2QxjfwQ


The website has also been updated, so if you haven't been to it lately you should check it out.
The Mormon Gulag

[_marg]

The other day I listened to the 2 videos you made Eric which you put up on www.mormongulag.com The sense I got, is that it is difficult for you to relate the emotional abuse. Physical is easy but how does one relate poor education, excessive forced prayers, excessive reading of scripture, mindless repetitious physical work as punishment or to keep kids busy for the sake of being busy instead of time spent on quality pursuits which would develop you as responsible mature intellient adults. It seems to me that it would be difficult to relate emotional abuse if that's one's experience and there's little else to compare to or what one's life would have been like had they not gone there. You yourself may not even be able to appreciate the emotional abuse and its effect on you.

[_cksalmon]

Well, as a change of pace, I thought I'd share the first ever commercial for the website http://www.MormonGulag.com - which as of late has really taken on a life of its own.

Enjoy everyone -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpHB2QxjfwQ


The website has also been updated, so if you haven't been to it lately you should check it out.
The Mormon Gulag

The website looks great. The "program" sounds utterly horrific.

cks