Mormonism is Now the Most Retrograde Religion in America.

[_Trevor]

One of us is. That much is certain.

We'll see which. ;-)

[_Gadianton]

when he will finally administer appropriate justice to the enemies of His people and His words

I look forward to it. As soon as he tries to "administer" his justice on me I'll kick him in the nuts, throw him on the ground and "administer" the figure four leglock while taunting him with boasts of my own authority. He'll cry out in submission, the Holy Ghost, Jesus, and Joseph Smith will all try and jump me. I'll dispatch those fools with a little Bruce Lee action. The Holy Ghost will wish he never got his body during the Millenium after I'm through whooping his ass. I'll parade around with my hands in the air and say things like, "Where is your God now? Perhaps he sleepeth?" Oh yeah, I look forward to that, I'm glad wheat brought it up.

Some of you guys might not believe that I'm really going to do that and laugh at me for it, but that just proves it's really going to happen. And this post will be the prophecy.

[_Ray A]

One of us is. That much is certain.

We'll see which. ;-)

No need to wait, Trev. You must bear in mind that Wheat is as certain of this as he is certain there are three 2,000 year old men still preaching the gospel on earth. What the odds of this being so? About a trillion to one. And that's being very generous. I might as well ask, what are the odds that Santa Claus lives at the North Pole? Wheat thinks that's ridiculous. Which reminds me, there's a poll thread going on MAD asking how people should approach Santa. Here's the question that has the highest votes (21):

Belief in Santa is harmless, they'll figure things out on their own

Fear not, Wheat will figure it out one day. When's he about 95.

[_Sethbag]

Wheat, have you seen that Richard Dawkins show he did for British TV, entitled "Root of All Evil?" You remind me of that muslim convert (former American jew) that Dawkins interviewed in Jerusalem, who was ranting and raving about how Islam was going to conquer all, and everyone would eventually submit, etc. Seriously, you talk just like that guy. If you haven't watched that show yet, find it on Youtube or Google Video and check it out, you'll see what I mean.

[_harmony]

Because you deserve it.

You seem to forget that those 'enemies' are God's children, Wheat. And that we LDS are taught to love our enemies. To turn the other cheek. To be kind to everyone.

If you can't learn your own religion, the least you could do is sit down and shut up until you at least learn the basics. No one ever learned with their mouth open.

[_Wheat]

Danna: And for what exactly will your god be seeking revenge on your behalf?

Not on my behalf. On behalf of all the Saints who have been mocked, mobbed, and slain by the enemies of God since the days of Adam until the day He comes to rule and reign. You have chosen to not fear God in the days of your mortal probation, but you will certainly fear Him at the last day.

harmony: You seem to forget that those 'enemies' are God's children, Wheat.

Not for long. They are no longer ‘willing to take upon them the name’ of Christ. And in a day to come – quite soon now, I believe – He will refuse to acknowledge them as His own. And you who defend them and agree with almost everything they say and do, and criticize the Lord’s anointed at every turn – you’ll also wish you could call down the rocks to hide you from His presence. People like you and your friends here disgust me. You are disloyal traitors to God and His servants on the earth. And you will be rewarded as traitors deserve.

If you can't learn your own religion, the least you could do is sit down and shut up until you at least learn the basics.

You are an ignorant fool. You are completely blinded by the philosophies of men, mingled with a little scripture. You know nothing of God or His ways.

Ray A: You must bear in mind that Wheat is as certain of this as he is certain there are three 2,000 year old men still preaching the gospel on earth.

Wrong Ray. There are at least FOUR such men. You met one of them once. It was a long time ago. Remember?

I’m sorry you no longer believe as you once did. You are a particularly sad case. More than once you’ve risen to the surface of the filthy pond and longed to reach the shore, only to sink again into its slimy depths. This time for good, I’d imagine.

Tragic.

[_Ray A]

Wrong Ray. There are at least FOUR such men. You met one of them once. It was a long time ago. Remember?

You must be confusing me with someone else. I have had some very weird and still unexplained things happen to me during the course of my life, but meeting a Nephite isn't one of them.

I’m sorry you no longer believe as you once did. You are a particularly sad case. More than once you’ve risen to the surface of the filthy pond and longed to reach the shore, only to sink again into its slimy depths. This time for good, I’d imagine. Tragic.

Maybe you haven't read all of my posts over the past 8 years. I haven't been a true believer since 1985. My criticisms of the Book of Mormon "as history" began online in 2000, and continued on ZLMB in 2003.

[_Ray A]

I’m sorry you no longer believe as you once did. You are a particularly sad case. More than once you’ve risen to the surface of the filthy pond and longed to reach the shore, only to sink again into its slimy depths. This time for good, I’d imagine.

Tragic.

And one more thing, you really don't get it, do you? Keep your sig. line, because it's still 100% true. It's people like you who not only turn me off Mormonism, but religion in general.

[_Droopy]

He is the grandson of late Apostle and member of the First Presidency, Hugh B. Brown. (A known "liberal")

Brown was a Democrat of a completely different generation. Whether or not he was a "liberal" in the modern sense, you will have to demonstrate.

[_Runtu]

Brown was a Democrat of a completely different generation. Whether or not he was a "liberal" in the modern sense, you will have to demonstrate.

Loran! Where have you been? You've been missed.