Jason Bourne wrote: Apologists for any religion are at a disadvantage. Think of any religious criticism. It is easy to make a simple criticism that often takes many pages of response. Defending is always tougher than taking the offensive.
Yep. That should tell you something about religious claims in general.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
When did beastie's MormonMesoamerica website go up? That was this year, was it not? I would put that, and her debunking of the FARMS horse "evidence," near the top of my top ten list.
Jason Bourne wrote: Apologists for any religion are at a disadvantage. Think of any religious criticism. It is easy to make a simple criticism that often takes many pages of response. Defending is always tougher than taking the offensive.
Yep. That should tell you something about religious claims in general.
It's true of any claim outside religion as well.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Some Schmo wrote: Yep. That should tell you something about religious claims in general.
It's true of any claim outside religion as well.
LOL
No it isn't. Claims based on large bodies of evidence speak for themselves, and don't take much defending.
Here, let's try it:
Gravity affects other objects with mass.
Go ahead. Criticize that, and we'll see how much effort it takes from me to defend that claim against your criticism. For bonus points, let's see if you can do it without resorting to making a joke.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Mister Scratch wrote: I seem to recall you rather vehemently demanding apologies yourself, LoaP. And, you do presume to be a practicing TBM, no? Perhaps *you* should pay more attention to, say, 1 Samuel 2:3, or 2 Nephi 23:11. Yes, yes---I know, you are just repeating the kind of behavior you learned on your mission. But, still.
Care to apologize?
Duly noted that I am not perfect, nor have I ever claimed to be. I would be interested, however, in seeing some of these "demands" I am said to have made. Could you provide an actual example? (and preferably one that is not tied up in my attempts to show your inconsistency by demanding apologies while offering none yourself?) I would be interested to analyze my past online behavior in that regard. I await your examples.
Sure, LoaP. I'll make you a deal: you provide an honest assessment of DCP's gossipmongering against Mike Quinn, and I will provide a link to the thread in which you demanded an apology from me.
No it isn't. Claims based on large bodies of evidence speak for themselves, and don't take much defending.
Here, let's try it:
Gravity affects other objects with mass.
Go ahead. Criticize that, and we'll see how much effort it takes from me to defend that claim against your criticism. For bonus points, let's see if you can do it without resorting to making a joke.
I'll try.
"Gravity affects other objects with mass."
Gravity doesn't exist. Nor do objects or mass. You live in a solipsistic experience, and none of this is.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
The Nehor wrote: It's true of any claim outside religion as well.
Believe it or not, I am sympathetic to your views, The Nehor. After all, it took page upon page for you to defend yourself on the issue of why you petitioned to become a MADmod.
Mister Scratch wrote:Sure, LoaP. I'll make you a deal: you provide an honest assessment of DCP's gossipmongering against Mike Quinn, and I will provide a link to the thread in which you demanded an apology from me.
I see no reason to accept your deal so I don't accept it.
If you provide no examples I will safely assume for now that you have none as I suspected anyway. No skin off my back.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Mister Scratch wrote:Sure, LoaP. I'll make you a deal: you provide an honest assessment of DCP's gossipmongering against Mike Quinn, and I will provide a link to the thread in which you demanded an apology from me.
I see no reason to accept your deal so I don't accept it.
If you provide no examples I will safely assume for now that you have none as I suspected anyway. No skin off my back.
Lol. All righty then. Thank you for the good faith effort. Anyways, since I'm such a nice guy, I'll give you a hint: Mickey Mouse Ears. Ring any bells, old buddy?
No it isn't. Claims based on large bodies of evidence speak for themselves, and don't take much defending.
Here, let's try it:
Gravity affects other objects with mass.
Go ahead. Criticize that, and we'll see how much effort it takes from me to defend that claim against your criticism. For bonus points, let's see if you can do it without resorting to making a joke.
I'll try.
"Gravity affects other objects with mass."
Gravity doesn't exist. Nor do objects or mass. You live in a solipsistic experience, and none of this is.
Well, for us living here on Earth, where we have tons of measured results of the phenomenon of gravity (not to mention objects and mass), and are able to make precise predictions about it, it's easy to say you're nuts if you really believe that.
Look at that... didn't even take more than a sentence.
[Mod Scottie: Remember, attack the post, not the poster. You can't call LoaP "nuts".]
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
