Ray's comments to Wade

[_harmony]

If I have toxic sentiments, then it is very much in my interest to work them out. I am not aware of any, myself, but I am open to constructive feedback.

This does not surprise me.

So, if you would like to explain and evince what you see as a toxic sentiment held by me, I would be pleased to thoughtfully consider them.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I'd say your labeling Ray's sentiments as toxic is exhibit A of your own toxic sentiments. And it doesn't surprise me at all that you have yet to exhibit any self-awareness in that regard.

[_wenglund]

I would have no idea how successful you have been. I am not certain you know either.

Fortunately, my success isn't the least bit dependant upon you (who is realatively ignorant of my 56 years of life experiences) being certain in that regard.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

If I have toxic sentiments, then it is very much in my interest to work them out. I am not aware of any, myself, but I am open to constructive feedback.

This does not surprise me.

So, if you would like to explain and evince what you see as a toxic sentiment held by me, I would be pleased to thoughtfully consider them.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I'd say your labeling Ray's sentiments as toxic is exhibit A of your own toxic sentiments. And it doesn't surprise me at all that you have yet to exhibit any self-awareness in that regard.

So, then, is your labelling my sentiments as toxic, itself, an expression of toxic sentiment? And, if you answer "yes", then is that also not and expression of toxic sentiment...and on and on ad infinitum?

Seriously, to your way of thinking, are there sentiments that are, on their own merits, legitimately categorizable as toxic? And if so, is there any possible way that you can conceive of to categorize/label them as toxic without you considering the categorizing/labelling as a toxic sentiment?

I am just trying to better understand your unique taxonomy.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_harmony]

So, then, is your labelling my sentiments as toxic, itself, an expression of toxic sentiment? And, if you answer "yes", then is that also not and expression of toxic sentiment...and on and on ad infinitum?

Do you object to my labeling your labeling of Ray's sentiment as toxic toxic?

edited to fix quote.

[_Trevor]

[Fortunately, my success isn't the least bit dependant upon you (who is realatively ignorant of my 56 years of life experiences) being certain in that regard.

And that demonstrates precisely nothing, as you well know.

[_wenglund]

So, then, is your labelling my sentiments as toxic, itself, an expression of toxic sentiment? And, if you answer "yes", then is that also not and expression of toxic sentiment...and on and on ad infinitum?

Do you object to my labeling your labeling of Ray's sentiment as toxic?

No. I am just trying to make sense of it.

Do you object to answering my questions?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

[Fortunately, my success isn't the least bit dependant upon you (who is realatively ignorant of my 56 years of life experiences) being certain in that regard.

And that demonstrates precisely nothing, as you well know.

I am sorry, but you just misread my mind--not that it matters.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Trevor]

I am sorry, but you just misread my mind--not that it matters.

That I refuse to read your mind, or accept evidence that I have no access to, is precisely my point.

[_Roger Morrison]

Hi Wade, I have to say you are one of the most articulate posters here. Great stuff! This makes it very easy to agree, or disagree with you. You leave little to question as I read you.
Below is pasted a few pragraphs from one of your posts above that appear quite altruistc. I will UL sections of such, in my opinion:

My desire is for all of us to succeed in meeting the basic human need to progress to become the best people possible and gain a fulness of joy and love one with another.

This won't happen to the extent that we end up debating fruitlessly divergent opinions, or even more so if one or the other or both of us are burdened with animosity, contempt, prejudice, etc.

I see it as in both of our interest (but your's in particular) to work through your animus towards LDS, and foster an environment of mutual respect and kindness as well as reorient our focus in fulfilling the basic human need previously mentioned.
I'm not proposing psycho-analysis. Rather, I am suggesting common-sensically working out heart-to-heart and mind-to-mind your toxic sentiments and move on to a better and more productive life--that is, assuming that is what you want for yourself. It's your choice. At your leisure, please let me know.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Wade I will respectfully make suggestions that could possibly pour oil on some troubling spots in (y)our communications... But first, I come to your defence;-)

Some here might not have known the Old-Wade, or might have forgotten him?? Be assured Wade knows what "toxitity", angst, contempt & animosity et al, is. He WAS Master-mayhem in his other life. No more.
He is not the person who created a New Topic to pillary me, as a new poster, on an old site KLMB(?) Unjustified, of course;-) If anyone has been successful in turning over a new leaf, in my opinion, it is Wade. But old habits die hard...

So Bro, what I have underlined above is the best anyone could ask for in an adult-to-adult, peer-to-peer discussion. OTOH, what you bracketed, and the words that I skipped, where you refer negatively to Ray, and exclude youself, seem somewhat arrogant & completely uncalled for. They are incongruent with your projected nobility, serving only to sabotage your seemingly good-intent. I hope these observations will be helpful...

Warm regards,

Roger :-)

[_harmony]

No. I am just trying to make sense of it.

Do you object to answering my questions?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I'm not going to anwer your question, no. It is just you pulling a red herring across the conversation and I'm limiting the number of red herrings in my diet, due to sqwack saying I take in too many calories.

What I'm saying is... until you have add no toxicity into a conversation, you are not able to point out anyone else's toxicity. And if you need a scriptural reference, check out the whole beam/mote thing.