Ray A wrote:Droopy wrote:
The concept taught was that they were less valiant spirits. The "fence sitters" idea is LDS folk doctrine, and neither were ever official LDS doctrine.
Once again you show your complete and total ignorance:
August 17, 1949
The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: "Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to."
President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: "The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have."
The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another DOCTRINE of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.
The First Presidency.
Now comes the
spin.....courtesy of Droopy.
No spin, I would just like you to elucidate for me in what manner this was official doctrine, binding upon all members as a matter of core belief, and where is the "fence sitter" idea you claimed existed?
To be honest, even if one could show that LDS as a people were expected to believe this idea as a matter of fundamental doctrine, it really wouldn't matter. One thing is true here which is a matter of settled doctrine: our mortal lives here, including time, place, and circumstance of birth, including the lineage through which we come, have been conditioned by our development in our First Estate, just as our development here will condition the nature of our existence and opportunities after this life.
I have no more problem accepting the concept of spirits entering mortality through black lineage doing so for specific purposes, some centered in the dynamics of the pre-existent state, then I do accepting my own coming into this world under less than pristine conditions and subject to some very real inherent limitations.
But continue in your holier-than-thou moral posturing against the Lord's anointed Ray.
You will, no doubt, have your reward.