Toward a Theory of Mopologetics

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wenglund wrote:It's like walking away from the very best made and most proven car on earth (at least in terms of what it is designed to do) after learning that the founding president of the car company was sealed to more than one woman, and then going on to claim that this loss of faith in the car was because of "the truth". I mean...come on folks. Get a grip.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


I don't have time to reply at length as I'll be hitting the road soon, Wade.

Your post tells me you are about a million miles off real understanding, and your analogy above is about two million miles off. A more appropriate analogy would be, the captain of the Titanic is a corrupt man with many wives, but the ship should be safe.

But I'll have to leave a longer reply for later.
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Scottie wrote:And, for what it's worth, I strongly disagree with your assessment that Hamblins "anti-Semitic tirade" was anti-Semitic. A tirade, yes, but he was simply illustrating how offensive it would be if we were to use "Kike" instead of "Mormon". Apparently it worked.

I missed Hamblin's tirade, but "kike" is offensive on its face; not so with the term "Mormon."
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Ray wrote:Here you go, Dwight: Mormon Stories Retired. (Dehlin comes late to thread.)

Much appreciated! :smile:
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Re: Toward a Theory of Mopologetics

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wenglund wrote:It's like walking away from the very best made and most proven car on earth (at least in terms of what it is designed to do) after learning that the founding president of the car company was sealed to more than one woman, and then going on to claim that this loss of faith in the car was because of "the truth". I mean...come on folks. Get a grip.

Don't you see the failure in your logic there? You are saying that this car is the ONLY true car and that although other cars might have 4 wheels and an engine, they don't contain the fullness of the true car. Except that you've never actually ridden in another car. You've just heard other people say that about other cars. Those that own other cars have everything and maybe more than your car does.

And, who knows, maybe walking is a much better fit for me. Maybe riding a bike? Which a car owner cannot fathom. Surely there can be no happiness in NOT riding in a car?!?! After all, look at how happy a car makes them.
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Dwight Frye wrote:
Scottie wrote:And, for what it's worth, I strongly disagree with your assessment that Hamblins "anti-Semitic tirade" was anti-Semitic. A tirade, yes, but he was simply illustrating how offensive it would be if we were to use "Kike" instead of "Mormon". Apparently it worked.

I missed Hamblin's tirade, but "kike" is offensive on its face; not so with the term "Mormon."

Yeah, it probably wasn't the smartest move ever, but I don't believe it was anti-Semitic.
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Ray A wrote:Exmos loved Dehlin, because he told them the truth, and that's what they want, then they'll make their own decisions. He feared he was unwittingly causing too many to leave, and that was only one reason he gave, so he retired Mormon Stories. He felt he was putting in too much work for little rewards.

If Dehlin can't do it, how are the more aggressive apologists going to do it? They will only make it worse. So of course there's recognition that many are leaving, and something needs to be done. And it has been recognised for a long time.


Dehlin was a self-admitted poor historian. His material certainly reflects that.
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Scottie wrote:I'm just curious, but is it possible to have a thread without mentioning DCP and Quinn?


ROTFL!! :lol:

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LifeOnaPlate wrote:Dehlin was a self-admitted poor historian. His material certainly reflects that.


I'm puzzled. John's stuff was mostly interviews with people on all sides of the Mormon fence. I don't think John ever made any attempts to be a historian, even a poor one. What are you referring to?
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Runtu wrote:
LifeOnaPlate wrote:Dehlin was a self-admitted poor historian. His material certainly reflects that.


I'm puzzled. John's stuff was mostly interviews with people on all sides of the Mormon fence. I don't think John ever made any attempts to be a historian, even a poor one. What are you referring to?


Most notably his presentation on why Mormons should stay in the Church.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
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Scottie wrote:Don't you see the failure in your logic there?


I cannot see what isn't there (see below). ;-)

You are saying that this car is the ONLY true car and that although other cars might have 4 wheels and an engine, they don't contain the fullness of the true car.


Please look more carefully at what I said. I intentionally did not use the words "only" or "true" so as to avoid inviting this mistaken interpretation. Yet, somehow you managed it.

Except that you've never actually ridden in another car. You've just heard other people say that about other cars.


With as little as you know about me and my history, I can understand why you would jump to that false conclusion.

NOt that it is any business of yours, but for nearly a decade after my mission I made it a common practice to visit and learn about other faiths--kicking their tires and taking them for a spin, as it were.

Those that own other cars have everything and maybe more than your car does.


That has not been my considerable experience.

And, who knows, maybe walking is a much better fit for me. Maybe riding a bike? Which a car owner cannot fathom. Surely there can be no happiness in NOT riding in a car?!?! After all, look at how happy a car makes them.


Were my comments just about being "happy", you may have a point. It wasn't, and so you don't. Sorry.

I see where you mistakely read things into what I said, and expressed a different point of view from mine, and failed to grasp the full essense of what I said. But, I didn't see the illogic you alleged. Again, sorry.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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