A few questions about the ark

[_Jersey Girl]

And after going through all that trouble to save the animals, what does Noah do?

He got drunk and passed out.

[_Jersey Girl]

I'm just going to bold out a reply here, Ray.

Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate a "global" flood.

How do you explain this, Jersey Girl?

4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

So what? I live upon the mountains of the Rockies. The elevations vary. That doesn't mean the ark was teetering on the highest peak.

From Wiki:

An obvious problem associated with identifying the resting place of the Ark is that its elevation must be lower than the ultimate depth of the flood water, since the Biblical account indicates that the highest point of land was covered to a depth of about twenty feet.

Scripture ref, please.

An elevation higher than a certain point would require an impossible rate of rainfall to cover it. In the view of some biblical literalists[who?], is dubious that a peak of over 16,000 feet would even exist at the time of the Flood; hence the facts imply that the mountains of "Ararat" were much lower than today, even if they were the highest in the world, a position not supported by modern geomorphology.

Explain this to me in real English, Ray. Is it saying the literalists are wrong? If so, I would agree. Literalists typically haven't thought much about it. As I stated previously, I live upon the Rocky Mountains and so what? The Rocky Mountains have no single elevation.

If it doesn't fit, then lower the mountains.

Mt. Ararat:

[_Ray A]

The only point of reference that makes sense is what "the world" was through the eyes of the ancients.

Why does no one get that?

It still doesn't answer why they would say that the Ark rested upon "the mountains of Ararat".

Was this hyperbole? And if so, isn't this lying? If I told you I wrestled a lion, but it was really a cat, and then I said I was just "using hyperbole", how would you take that?

[_Ray A]

So what? I live upon the mountains of the Rockies. The elevations vary. That doesn't mean the ark was teetering on the highest peak.

Give me an example of how a mountain 16,000 feet high can be covered with water 20 feet above the peak, and only be "local".

[_Trevor]

Trevor, if the he good folks at CARM based the above on worldwide species/kinds then they can't read or think.

Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate a "global" flood.

Whittle that down to regional species/kinds and then I think we might have something realistic to work with.

I have absolutely no memory of this conversation.

[_Ray A]

I have absolutely no memory of this conversation.

Neither do I.

[_Trevor]

I have absolutely no memory of this conversation.

Neither do I.

Whew! As long as I am not alone in my insanity, I'm OK.

[_Ray A]

Think more about this, Jersey Girl.

Genesis 8:

7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

It's quite clear that there were no "lower peaks" upon which Noah could have landed. There was no land in sight.

[_Jersey Girl]

Trevor, if the he good folks at CARM based the above on worldwide species/kinds then they can't read or think.

Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate a "global" flood.

Whittle that down to regional species/kinds and then I think we might have something realistic to work with.

I have absolutely no memory of this conversation.

Oh, I see how it is. I made a mistake. I'm running on oh, about 4 hours of sleep, Trevor. You must think you're pretty important to point out my error, huh.



Admission of total guilt: I, Jersey Girl, screwed up a post. I misattributed a post to Trevor instead of Ray A the original author of the post. I scanned the thread and did a crummy job of reading it. I am but a lowly worm in the garden of thought that is Mormon Discussions. I am the composter extraordinaire of posters.

Signed, (oh, excuse me) TYPED by,
The Jersey Girl

[Mod Scottie: Hmmm...what to do about a personal attack to ones self?? ]

[_Jersey Girl]

Think more about this, Jersey Girl.

I passed "thought" about 2 o'clock this afternoon.

7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

It's quite clear that there were no "lower peaks" upon which Noah could have landed. There was no land in sight.

Why is it clear there were no "lower peaks" upon which Noah could have landed? There was no land in sight because it was covered with water...and?