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antishock8 wrote:And it SHOULD preclude someone from holding a TR. I find it odd that someone who admits that he has coffee or the occasional glass of wine, but is fit and active, wouldn't qualify to hold a TR when those questions are clearly designed to ascertain one's health. HWP people are far more healthy and happy than morbidly obese types. This is a serious flaw in LDS dogma.


Oh please. You can't seriously tell me you want us to mandate a maximum weight to hold a TR. Critics would scream endlessly about our hatred of fat people if we did. It's not a flaw. It's that we leave quite a few things between God and the individual. I suspect there will be people in hell who went there partially or fully due to an unhealthy lifestyle.
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The Nehor wrote:
antishock8 wrote:And it SHOULD preclude someone from holding a TR. I find it odd that someone who admits that he has coffee or the occasional glass of wine, but is fit and active, wouldn't qualify to hold a TR when those questions are clearly designed to ascertain one's health. HWP people are far more healthy and happy than morbidly obese types. This is a serious flaw in LDS dogma.


Oh please. You can't seriously tell me you want us to mandate a maximum weight to hold a TR. Critics would scream endlessly about our hatred of fat people if we did. It's not a flaw. It's that we leave quite a few things between God and the individual. I suspect there will be people in hell who went there partially or fully due to an unhealthy lifestyle.


I don't think anyone wants there to be a weight limit. I think what anti-shock is suggesting is the Word of Wisdom either be applied as it was written, or be interpreted as a general health code. Instead you get the double standard of no wine because it says so in the WofW, but we'll let the specific food requirements slide a little bit. If you were to go out to dinner with the bishop and order a glass of wine with your meal, he would probably schedule a disciplinary meeting for you. But if you went out to dinner and ordered a couple steaks (no veggies or fruit), and washed the steaks down with a cup of hot chocolate, he wouldn't think twice about it. Yet, in both instances you violated the word of wisdom. It's the inconsistent enforcement of the WofW that bothers people. Some verses are enforced to the letter of the law. Some verses are enforced to the spirit of the law. And some verses are completely ignored. And it doesn't seem to have anything to do with actual health.
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The Nehor wrote:
antishock8 wrote:And it SHOULD preclude someone from holding a TR. I find it odd that someone who admits that he has coffee or the occasional glass of wine, but is fit and active, wouldn't qualify to hold a TR when those questions are clearly designed to ascertain one's health. HWP people are far more healthy and happy than morbidly obese types. This is a serious flaw in LDS dogma.


Oh please. You can't seriously tell me you want us to mandate a maximum weight to hold a TR. Critics would scream endlessly about our hatred of fat people if we did. It's not a flaw. It's that we leave quite a few things between God and the individual. I suspect there will be people in hell who went there partially or fully due to an unhealthy lifestyle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Wisdom

The entire Word of Wisdom history has been filled with 'prophets' contradicting one another, cultural hysteria, and buffet style application. It's a buffoonish attempt at prophecy.
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The Nehor wrote:Oh please. You can't seriously tell me you want us to mandate a maximum weight to hold a TR. Critics would scream endlessly about our hatred of fat people if we did. It's not a flaw. It's that we leave quite a few things between God and the individual. I suspect there will be people in hell who went there partially or fully due to an unhealthy lifestyle.

No, the correct answer is to make the Word of WISDOM just that...wisdom. NOT a commandment that will keep you out of the temple.
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It's a sad reality. It's easy to be obese in America. You can go to McDonalds and get hundreds of calories for a few bucks. You can buy a 12 pack of Pepsi with 1000+ calories for a few bucks. It's easy to be fat in America.

Beyond the simplicity of getting large quantities of calories at low prices is the enabling of obese people. Too fat to walk more than a hundred feet? Here's a scooter. Too fat to walk across the parking lot? Here's a handicap sticker. Too fat to run in gym class? Here's a doctor's note kiddo.

Our sedentary society is largely to blame, but personal responsibility must also be looked at. Our jobs have changed from working the fields to sitting at a desk. Rather than playing outside we sit at computers/TV/video games. I too am like this. But at some point you have to face the reality that your consumption must be curtailed to avoid becoming obese.
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B23 wrote:It's a sad reality. It's easy to be obese in America. You can go to McDonalds and get hundreds of calories for a few bucks. You can buy a 12 pack of Pepsi with 1000+ calories for a few bucks. It's easy to be fat in America.

Beyond the simplicity of getting large quantities of calories at low prices is the enabling of obese people. Too fat to walk more than a hundred feet? Here's a scooter. Too fat to walk across the parking lot? Here's a handicap sticker. Too fat to run in gym class? Here's a doctor's note kiddo.

Our sedentary society is largely to blame, but personal responsibility must also be looked at. Our jobs have changed from working the fields to sitting at a desk. Rather than playing outside we sit at computers/TV/video games. I too am like this. But at some point you have to face the reality that your consumption must be curtailed to avoid becoming obese.


You are correct, B23, as far as it goes.

A couple of years ago, while on my annual Mother-Daughter outing with my mom, my sisters, and my daughter, my mom asked the question: if you could go back and do one thing over again, what would it be? My answer surprised them all: I wouldn't take the Prednisone. Even though I was in agony, it was nothing compared to what is every day for me now. Had I know then what I know now, I'd have just gritted my teeth and endured the pain. That 3 month period of my life drastically altered the rest of my days, and it's been a domino effect struggle ever since.

Do I exercise? Not like you do. I can't. Do I walk across parking lots? Not like you do. I can't. Do I play video games? No. Do I sit at a desk all day and half the night? Yes. Why? Because I can accomplish many of my goals by doing so. However, that doesn't mean I don't garden, don't string my Christmas lights around my trees and shrubs, don't do my housework. That just means that I pay for every step I take, every time I raise my arms, every movement.

Am I losing weight? Yes, finally I found something that helps. I'm down 31 pounds in the last 3 months. But is it a struggle? Yes. Many of my meds increase appetite, which multiplies my GERD issues. Many days, I live on Imodium and Gaviscon. But I've lost a size and continue my slow downward pace.

It's not helpful, though, to be told it's all my fault, that I've eaten too many Big Macs (I hate Big Macs. I prefer Whoppers), or couldn't keep my hand out of the bag of M&Ms. You're right that it's a lot cheaper to eat poorly. Fresh fruit and vegetables are expensive. Regular hamburger is a lot cheaper than a lean roast. I'm able to afford that sort of thing now because my family is gone and I no longer feed hordes of hungry boys. I've been to 6 months of nutrition counseling (with the idea of doing the lap band, but abandoned that idea when it didn't work for my sister in law) and learned a few helpful tricks, but eating right is still a struggle. Having people make fun of me or people like me, with no thought that my circumstances differ from theirs doesn't help.
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harmony wrote:[...] I'm down 31 pounds in the last 3 months.
[...]

Congratulations! You should be really proud of yourself. I always (always) gain weight in the winter months. For some reason, I can't even bring myself to go to the gym when the sun is hiding and I don't have the struggles you do. So, to lose 31 pounds (!) during the months when most people (well… at least me) gain is amazing to me.

Good for you. I wish you continued success.
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harmony wrote:You are correct, B23, as far as it goes.

A couple of years ago, while on my annual Mother-Daughter outing with my mom, my sisters, and my daughter, my mom asked the question: if you could go back and do one thing over again, what would it be? My answer surprised them all: I wouldn't take the Prednisone. Even though I was in agony, it was nothing compared to what is every day for me now. Had I know then what I know now, I'd have just gritted my teeth and endured the pain. That 3 month period of my life drastically altered the rest of my days, and it's been a domino effect struggle ever since.

Do I exercise? Not like you do. I can't. Do I walk across parking lots? Not like you do. I can't. Do I play video games? No. Do I sit at a desk all day and half the night? Yes. Why? Because I can accomplish many of my goals by doing so. However, that doesn't mean I don't garden, don't string my Christmas lights around my trees and shrubs, don't do my housework. That just means that I pay for every step I take, every time I raise my arms, every movement.

Am I losing weight? Yes, finally I found something that helps. I'm down 31 pounds in the last 3 months. But is it a struggle? Yes. Many of my meds increase appetite, which multiplies my GERD issues. Many days, I live on Imodium and Gaviscon. But I've lost a size and continue my slow downward pace.

It's not helpful, though, to be told it's all my fault, that I've eaten too many Big Macs (I hate Big Macs. I prefer Whoppers), or couldn't keep my hand out of the bag of M&Ms. You're right that it's a lot cheaper to eat poorly. Fresh fruit and vegetables are expensive. Regular hamburger is a lot cheaper than a lean roast. I'm able to afford that sort of thing now because my family is gone and I no longer feed hordes of hungry boys. I've been to 6 months of nutrition counseling (with the idea of doing the lap band, but abandoned that idea when it didn't work for my sister in law) and learned a few helpful tricks, but eating right is still a struggle. Having people make fun of me or people like me, with no thought that my circumstances differ from theirs doesn't help.


Harmony we don't agree on a lot and I don't know your medical history well enough to say anything for certain but from the bits and pieces you've shared I don't think it's your fault at all. People suffering an illness like yours deserve out condolences and not our condemnation.

I knew a very athletic girl who acquired diabetes. She still runs 10 miles a day but has ballooned up in weight and there's really nothing she can do about it.

I should be clear. I think those who need to repent are the healthy who make themselves unhealthy through choice. I was mostly lucky. I have a bit of scoliosis and a propensity to gain kidney stones (who I refer to as my bastard children) but other then that I'm in good health and I should probably be more grateful. However, the obese who choose to be obese.....stop skyrocketing healthcare costs. ;)
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antishock8 wrote:The entire Word of Wisdom history has been filled with 'prophets' contradicting one another, cultural hysteria, and buffet style application. It's a buffoonish attempt at prophecy.


It's prophecy?
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Scottie wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Oh please. You can't seriously tell me you want us to mandate a maximum weight to hold a TR. Critics would scream endlessly about our hatred of fat people if we did. It's not a flaw. It's that we leave quite a few things between God and the individual. I suspect there will be people in hell who went there partially or fully due to an unhealthy lifestyle.

No, the correct answer is to make the Word of WISDOM just that...wisdom. NOT a commandment that will keep you out of the temple.


I disagree. Working towards a temple recommend should involve following the don'ts of the Word of Wisdom. Why do I think this? I don't want to sit in an endowment room with someone who is high or drunk or smells of cigarette smoke. Part of me wants to add garlic pills to the WoW for the same reason. :)

Coffee and tea I see as piddling sins along with the occasional beer. I don't know why God has first cautioned against and then forbidden them in this dispensation. I have guesses but I just obey. It is easy for me though so I don't take any great pride in it.
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