"Live by the lamp of their own conceit"

[_Ray A]

This sounds like fun Harmony. And just think, all those years of pent up frustration can finally be given a voice in front of someone who can help with change, and you get a Lu'au thrown in your honor.

Lamanite, you have to be long enough in the tooth, and experienced enough with Mormonism, to see the fairy floss behind the promised meat.

[_Yoda]

And the day I want to get excommunicated, I'll take you up on it.

I don't think you would get excommunicated for making the suggestions. They may refuse to accommodate you, but I don't think you would be excommunicated.

But harmony now has an offer of an entirely free trip, with food and lodging (and even perhaps a bit of entertainment) provided and a meeting set up with the apostle of her choice. That's a pretty good deal, I think.

Um...she has a full-time job. She can't just drop everything in her real life at the drop of a hat.

Also, as nice as LAOP appears to be, she doesn't really know him. I would feel funny about staying at someone's home who I didn't really know.

She also doesn't really know Lamanite. She is just supposed to give someone she doesn't know personal information so he can buy her a plane ticket? I don't think so.

[_Ray A]

I'm sure harmony's suggestions will be taken seriously, even though the financial records haven't been open since the early 1960s. One lady, visiting one apostle, will change all that.

Stop exploiting her.

[_Trevor]

Thanks for the offer to help out. If we're getting serious about this then I'll roast a pig and we can have a Lu'au! My Mom and Sisters will all cook food, and I'll roast the pig, and we can use a Church house for all the MAD and MDB members who want to come.

Now I am jealous. I served 6 months in a Tongan ward in California. I gained 20 pounds, and every ounce of it was delicious going down. The roast pork was out of this world.

Mālō ē lelei!

[_Lamanite]

This sounds like fun Harmony. And just think, all those years of pent up frustration can finally be given a voice in front of someone who can help with change, and you get a Lu'au thrown in your honor.

Lamanite, you have to be long enough in the tooth, and experienced enough with Mormonism, to see the fairy floss behind the promised meat.

Ray my friend, I'm not sure what kind of crazy Aussie "sayings" your employing but they are lost on me.

I think you saying I'm young in the Church and can't see that it's a fairytale or something??

Whatever the case, I just want to kill and cook a pig now. So whether Harmony comes or not, sometime in January we're gonna eat!

Big UP!

Lamanite

[_Daniel Peterson]

She doesn't want to do it. If she did, she could. I'd spring for a private hotel room for her.

And how much "private information" would she have to supply to enable Lamanite to buy an airline ticket for her?

It's all too easy to deride the Brethren for not listening to complaints that she won't articulate to them, and for refusing to meet with her when she actually refuses to meet with them.

[_Ray A]

Ray my friend, I'm not sure what kind of crazy Aussie "sayings" your employing but they are lost on me.

I think you saying I'm young in the Church and can't see that it's a fairytale or something??

Whatever the case, I just want to kill and cook a pig now. So whether Harmony comes or not, sometime in January we're gonna eat!

Maybe when harmony is in SLC next, if she so desires, she can take up your invitation, to visit you, and your very nice wife and family. I don't doubt your sincerity, nor that you'd be a great host.

It's got nothing to do with fairy tales, just long experience with the Church.

This proposed meeting with a member of the Twelve is lemon. He'd probably want to give her a blessing so she can understand why the financial records will never be opened.

[_harmony]

I'm sure harmony's suggestions will be taken seriously, even though the financial records haven't been open since the early 1960s. One lady, visiting one apostle, will change all that.

Stop exploiting her.

Unfortunately, you and I live in the real world, Ray... the world where money talks and women don't, the world where who you know and who you're related to is more important than what you know. I'm not rich, I'm female, and I'm not related to anyone important (not Mormon Royalty). Three strikes without even stepping into the batter's box.

The pig is an incentive (Uncle Jim served in Samoa and has cooked the pig in the ground for the family and the community often), though. Maybe next time I fly through on business, I can meet Lamanite and anyone else who is interested.

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[_Lamanite]

Um...she has a full-time job. She can't just drop everything in her real life at the drop of a hat.

That's why we can coordinate schedules! May not happen till March or June. But we can synchronize to make it happen

Also, as nice as LAOP appears to be, she doesn't really know him. I would feel funny about staying at someone's home who I didn't really know.

Look, I'm not rich, but if that's the case and there is no one she trusts to stay with then I'll pay the Hotel bill and Car rental if that's what it will take.

I'm pretty invested in this now Harmony so you better bring a damned good list of things you'd like to see changed.

She also doesn't really know Lamanite. She is just supposed to give someone she doesn't know personal information so he can buy her a plane ticket? I don't think so.

Nope. She can book directly through a Delta Agent, I will mail the buddy pass to her, or do an E-ticket. (and if First class isn't full when you arrive at the airport, you automatically get bumped up!)


Here it is Harmony. I'm giving it to you on a silver platter. Do something with this opportunity. It's not a message board, its real life, and real changes could be made. Your influence may be the catalyst in many changes.

Big UP!

Lamanite

[_Daniel Peterson]

This proposed meeting with a member of the Twelve is lemon. He'd probably want to give her a blessing so she can understand why the financial records will never be opened.

That's neither here nor there.

Harmony's contention is that the Brethren won't meet with ordinary members of the Church, and that they have no idea what's going on among the membership.

Whether or not a member of the Twelve gave her a blessing at the end of her meeting with him in which she set forth her complaints and proposals for remaking the Church wouldn't alter the fact even slightly that they had met and that he had heard her ideas.