Lamanite wrote: Your influence may be the catalyst in many changes.
Daniel would resign his membership rather than see me have any influence for change.
I have meetings in Denver, Reno, and Phoenix coming up. Let's see if I can book an extra day when I fly through SLC.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Daniel Peterson wrote: Whether or not a member of the Twelve gave her a blessing at the end of her meeting with him in which she set forth her complaints and proposals for remaking the Church wouldn't alter the fact even slightly that they had met and that he had heard her ideas.
Gratuitous. It's harmony's "great privilege" to meet a member of the Twelve, even if the end result is "her privilege" to hear him say "we will carry on as we please, now just be eternally gratetful that you even met me".
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Ray A wrote:This proposed meeting with a member of the Twelve is lemon. He'd probably want to give her a blessing so she can understand why the financial records will never be opened.
That's neither here nor there.
Harmony's contention is that the Brethren won't meet with ordinary members of the Church, and that they have no idea what's going on among the membership.
Whether or not a member of the Twelve gave her a blessing at the end of her meeting with him in which she set forth her complaints and proposals for remaking the Church wouldn't alter the fact even slightly that they had met and that he had heard her ideas.
It's obvious the only action Harmony want to take towards change is......well.....I guess none.
Do you still want some of my Roast Pig? Let's have a Lu'au at your chapel and we'll have the FAIR warchest pay for the entire affair! Let us drink water from Swarovsky crystal and eat the flesh of beasts, in time of winter!
harmony wrote:Unfortunately, you and I live in the real world, Ray... the world where money talks and women don't, the world where who you know and who you're related to is more important than what you know. I'm not rich, I'm female, and I'm not related to anyone important (not Mormon Royalty). Three strikes without even stepping into the batter's box.
"Unfortunately, Mr. Durocher, you and I live in the real world . . . the world where money talks and black people like me don't, the world where who you know and who you're related to and the color of your skin is more important than what you can do. My name is Jackie Robinson. I'm a colored man. I'm not rich, I'm not white, and I'm not related to anyone important (not Baseball Royalty). Three strikes without even stepping into the batter's box. So no, Mr. Durocher, I will not step into the batter's box at all. Not ever. I will not play for the Dodgers. But I'll sure as hell write a devastating book about how you and your fellow white good ol' boys kept me from my dream of playing major league baseball."
Lamanite wrote:It's obvious the only action Harmony want to take towards change is......well.....I guess none.
Dissing the Brethren is easier.
Lamanite wrote:Do you still want some of my Roast Pig? Let's have a Lu'au at your chapel and we'll have the FAIR warchest pay for the entire affair! Let us drink water from Swarovsky crystal and eat the flesh of beasts, in time of winter!
If you do a luau, and I'm in the state, I'll try to be there!
Lamanite wrote: Your influence may be the catalyst in many changes.
Daniel would resign his membership rather than see me have any influence for change.
I have meetings in Denver, Reno, and Phoenix coming up. Let's see if I can book an extra day when I fly through SLC.
OK...do you have a specific member of the twelve you want to meet. And how much time can you give me so that I can see if he is available the day you come into town. If he's not available would you see someone else?
The sooner you can give me a day, the greater likelihood he will have open availability.
Lamanite wrote:It's obvious the only action Harmony want to take towards change is......well.....I guess none.
Dissing the Brethren is easier.
You of all people should know that change will never occur, no matter if harmony had a face to face meeting with the Prophet. Because that's not how Mormonism works.
Daniel Peterson wrote: If his enthusiasm for lamenting the horror of my cruelty to the GoodK family could be harnassed to the power grid, we could reduce our dependence on coal and foreign oil by a substantial amount.
For those who aren't familiar with the unspeakably dreadful tale at issue here, here's an image, taken from a distance, of the precise moment when my e-mail, which -- obscene and terrible as it sounds --contained (and I shudder even to mention it!) a link to a public message board, arrived at Haus GoodK, a house that had been happy, peaceful, and harmonious until that fatal day:
Glad to see you still feel proud of what you did to my family, when you did it.
Here is my usual response, emphasis added this time:
GoodK wrote: Just dropping by to say that Daniel C. Peterson is guilty of pissing on my privacy, pitting my step-parent against me, and continuously reporting my posts to my step-father.
O.J didn't plead guilty either.
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harmony wrote:Unfortunately, you and I live in the real world, Ray... the world where money talks and women don't, the world where who you know and who you're related to is more important than what you know. I'm not rich, I'm female, and I'm not related to anyone important (not Mormon Royalty). Three strikes without even stepping into the batter's box.
"Unfortunately, Mr. Durocher, you and I live in the real world . . . the world where money talks and black people like me don't, the world where who you know and who you're related to and the color of your skin is more important than what you can do. My name is Jackie Robinson. I'm a colored man. I'm not rich, I'm not white, and I'm not related to anyone important (not Baseball Royalty). Three strikes without even stepping into the batter's box. So no, Mr. Durocher, I will not step into the batter's box at all. Not ever. I will not play for the Dodgers. But I'll sure as hell write a devastating book about how you and your fellow white good ol' boys kept me from my dream of playing major league baseball."
You know, of course, that Paul H. Dunn and Jackie Robinson both played for the Dodgers. Jackie played for Brooklyn and Paul for Twin Falls.
Paul told a story about a baseball he owned that had been signed by Jackie Robinson. Later it was discovered that the autograph had been forged by Mark Hoffman. I'm sure you already knew this given your closeness to Elder Dunn, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.
Eugene England meets face to face with Joseph Fielding Smith, convinces him that the Black ban is NOT scriptural, but the ban carries on for nearly ten more years. JFS, contrary to his admission to England, does nothing to stop it.
Yes, but harmony will make a difference. Her concerns will be heard, and like England's consigned to the rubbish bin.