The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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Is MormonDiscussions BETTER, ABOUT THE SAME, or WORSE since the Great Moderatorial Experiment began?

 
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_Yoda

Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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GoodK wrote:Dr. Shades, as a friend, I implore you to not let any of us dictate the rules of this board to you. Especially those who would trick you into believing that the sky is falling here because of a few hurt feelings. It's your board, and most of us came here because it wasn't like MAD.


Believe me, GoodK, if there is ANYONE who doesn't want this board to be like MAD, I am at the top of the list.

You're aware of my MAD story, right?

If not, PM me and I'll enlighten you. :wink:

Give Shades some credit. He's a smart guy. He also has a vision for the board that I agree with. It was the reason I volunteered to be a Mod for the board.

I really don't think that keeping personal attacks out of Terrestrial and Off Topic is going to detract from the overall vision of the board. I think it is an improvement which will, in the end, help motivate interesting conversations, and keep them on topic. It will also leave people no choice but to debate ISSUES rather than personalities.

Frankly, I think this is a win/win.

There isn't censorship involved, because you can still personally attack people to your heart's content in the Telestial Forum. Frankly, I don't think that the Telestial Forum should be viewed as taboo as it is right now. I think that the Telestial can also be a place for interesting conversations with fewer perimeters. That is the forum where you can vent, and where personal attacks are freely allowed. You can also be more free with language, and discuss things that may be a little more sexual in nature. Going into the Telestial is not for the "faint of heart". It's a "Rated R" forum rather than a "Rated PG or PG-13" forum.

But, I go to R rated movies all the time, so I think that the current stigma of the Telestial is really unwarranted. You just have to have a thicker skin to operate there.

I think that Antishock brought up some very good points. This is what he posted on another thread:
antishock wrote:1) Post a clear and concise Mission Statement for this board. State CLEARLY the reasons you want this board to exist.

2) Define clearly what an ad hom is to YOU, and then enforce it across the board if that's part of your moderating philosophy.

3) Don't be afraid to ban posters that run afoul of your rules, even if you like them or think they contribute. It creates confusion and mistrust when the rules are applied inconsistently.

4) Keep everything above simple.


I think that the Mods are going to be on a learning curve when it comes to consistency for a little while, but I think that it's worth a try.

GoodK, I would really hate to see you leave the board. You are one of my favorite posters. But you are wrong when it comes to your conclusion that Harmony spouted off in order to become a Moderator. It's just not true. I've known Harmony for quite a while. What she expressed were her honest feelings based on what posters had shared with her. She cares about the board, and wanted to see things improve. She did not ASK to be a Moderator. Shades ASKED HER....not the other way around.

GoodK wrote:Would it be less lame if I complained to the board owner in private, or made a phony list of supporters and started a thread about it?


Wait...Harmony's list was simply of people who she hadn't seen post for a long time. She indicated that SEVERAL of those on her list had PM'd her pertaining to the posting climate of the board. She never said that ALL of them had.

I think that is where the confusion is happening. Harmony stated that it appeared to her, that many of these posters started disappearing when the board became more hostile. This was merely an observation that she made, and she clearly stated that this was her opinion, and nothing more than that.

She did, however, indicate that there were several of these posters who had actually spoken with her. Since they had spoken with her in private, she did not reveal who they were, which is valid.
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Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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I think it should be noted that I have been vocal about the lack of moderation here for a long time.

Although I always complied with Shades wishes, I believed that the few posters who delighted in obscene personal attacks ruined the board. I still believe that.

I'm not sure where this idea that Harmony's exile thread was the sole reason for the experiment came from. It may have been the final straw, but she is certainly not the only one who has felt that way.
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Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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Scottie wrote:It may have been the final straw, but she is certainly not the only one who has felt that way.


Quite so, Scottie.

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Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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I remember the first time I ever tried a chatroom on mIRC, it seemed like a bunch of fourteen years olds with a fascination for the F word, made it a place I didn't want to be. I have never considered myself a prude, but I do appreciate age appropriate conversations that are not a reversion to those mIRC days.

I hope the adult level message board behavior fostered by this experiment continues. While moderatorial laissez-faire may appeal to some, I really do not see it being good for the board.

Well done moderators. I know from your experiences with that other board that you will never engage in over-moderation.

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Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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I have to concur with Liz and Scottie. The Great Moderatorial Experiment didn't begin and end with Harmony's list of exiles. Her thread was merely one drop in the bucket.

Here's the deal: Two things happened. One, I got sick and tired of all the complaining, especially after the ignore feature was implemented, and two, I figured that there was a chance I was wrong and they were right, so how else to find out other than to put it to the acid test?

As for harmony, she never volunteered to be a moderator. I pretty much gave her an ultimatum like I did with cksalmon: If you disagree with me that much, put your money where your mouth is and moderate.

Out of all those I tapped out to moderate, she was the one least willing to become one, truth be told.
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_GoodK

Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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liz3564 wrote:Frankly, I think this is a win/win.


I don't. In a perfect world, it would be. But given Shades resources, specifically the hostage taker, it isn't going to be a good thing for anyone except harmony and posters of her caliber.


GoodK, I would really hate to see you leave the board. You are one of my favorite posters.


And I would hate to see this board turn into a borish LDS buttkiss fest for old bags and whiners.

But you are wrong when it comes to your conclusion that Harmony spouted off in order to become a Moderator. It's just not true. I've known Harmony for quite a while. What she expressed were her honest feelings based on what posters had shared with her.


No, my dear, I'm not. For example, on harmony's bogus list she listed Moniker (and one of Moniker's sock puppets.) [Until Shades says otherwise: if it ain't on the board, then it ain't on the board. Apparently private communication deleted] Beastie said specifically stated she wasn't asking for anything to change, she just wouldn't be posting again.

Harmony was using Moniker (and her sock puppet) along with all the others listed besides chris to make her point seem more important.


She cares about the board, and wanted to see things improve. She did not ASK to be a Moderator. Shades ASKED HER....not the other way around.


Whether or not her motives were to actually become a moderator, or to just have collegeterrace/PP and other male posters that she doesn't like banned is anybody's guess.

Wait...Harmony's list was simply of people who she hadn't seen post for a long time. She indicated that SEVERAL of those on her list had PM'd her pertaining to the posting climate of the board. She never said that ALL of them had.


This isn't how it went down, my dear. Here is how it happened:

Harmony said: "People are disappearing, some of them without saying goodbye."

Mister Scratch responded: "Where is her evidence?"

Harmony said:

"Guy Sager
Froggie
Addictio
Daniel C Peterson
Enuma Elish
Tarski
Kevin Graham/Dartagnon
Tal Bachman
Runtu
The Road to Hana
Lucretia McEvil
huckleberry
maklelan
cksalmon
blixa
Uncle Dale
Dr Steuss
Analytics
Seven
A Light in the Darkness
DonBradley
Barrelomonkeys
Loquacious Lurker
Nephi
LifeonaPlate
charity
BishopRic
Moniker
etc


Where are all these posters? These people added meat to our discussions. They added knowledge and now we are less, because they are not here. They may lurk, they may occasionally post, for the most part, they are not here."

Two more have now dusted us off. Will anyone but me even notice who they are and when they left?

What other evidence is needed, Scratch?"

See?

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_GoodK

Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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Dr. Shades wrote:Here's the deal: Two things happened. One, I got sick and tired of all the complaining, especially after the ignore feature was implemented, and two, I figured that there was a chance I was wrong and they were right, so how else to find out other than to put it to the acid test?


Clearly you were right. Or at least I think so.

Out of all those I tapped out to moderate, she was the one least willing to become one, truth be told.


So was I, if you recall. But I said I had no problem with the way the board was being moderated and that didn't quite fit the terms of the experiment.
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Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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GoodK,

Please link me to any of harmony's moderator actions that you feel are not in keeping with the rules that were revised for this experiment.
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_GoodK

Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

Post by _GoodK »

GoodK wrote:[Until Shades says otherwise: if it ain't on the board, then it ain't on the board. Apparently private communication deleted]

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Okay. Goodbye MormonDiscussions.com.

Those that want to stay in touch, my email is eric@mormongulag.com


by the way, Chris, I know you are enjoying your queer little stamp but you were wrong to censor me and now you have helped me become certain that I am done with this board.

Here is an excerpt from a private communication from early this evening, by the way: [Which, per Shades's experimental rules, should have remained private. The rules were posted in the common tongue.]


Goodbye. It's been real.
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Re: The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

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Okay, I just want to set one thing straight. I did not ask for any changes to be made to the board to Shades privately. Anything and everything I've said about the board has been said on the board. I don't think any issues I have with this board or certain posters is really going to change with any of the moderation changes. I think there is an issue here and I think I've spoken clearly (a few times) what my issues are. I usually confront people privately about any issues I have. My problem all along was whether or not to deal with it publicly...

I communicated privately to beastie about some of my problems with behind the scene behavior. I was advised not to talk about them on the board. Some were aware of what was going on behind the scenes and I chose not to speak up from fear of attack. When I did speak up I was attacked. I didn't repeatedly ask for an ignore feature and I have not spoken to harmony about any of my issues with this board. I have asked Shades to PM certain posters to ask them to stop attacking my credibility (with personal knowledge he had) publicly because I felt like if I defended myself publicly I would be hurting others.

PP knows precisely what my issues are with him and I never expected or desired for him to be banned. The way I view this board is as such: It is a board where I sense a lot of ex-Mormons come to commiserate and heal, in a way. I understand that and empathize with that aspect of why some people are on this board. If I didn't understand that I probably would be less restrained in dealing with a few on this board.
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