The Great Moderatorial Experiment, PART THREE: The aftermath

[_Dr. Shades]

Well, it's been made known to me that someone did indeed have a problem with one of the new moderators, and that moderator decided to cease moderating. Actually, it was worse than that: The moderator in question said that he/she would be leaving the board entirely, which I certainly hope isn't true.

Anyhow, here's another topic I wonder if y'all won't consider: The new moderators decided to delete personal attacks entirely within the post itself. Would it have been better to leave all personal attacks intact, and instead move the entire post to the Telestial Forum? That's sort of the direction I initially envisioned we'd go, so I was a bit surprised that the new moderators decided to go the former route.

[_Jersey Girl]

Well, it's been made known to me that someone did indeed have a problem with one of the new moderators, and that moderator decided to cease moderating. Actually, it was worse than that: The moderator in question said that he/she would be leaving the board entirely, which I certainly hope isn't true

I hate to bring this into the discussion but isn't there something we can do to retain the new moderator that's allegedly leaving or is this moderator destined to share an unmarked grave with the dead monkey?

If people have a complaint about a moderator, they should make it in full public view and to hell with privacy so complaints can be compared to the moderators standing record of moderation.

This really gripes me that a new moderator has chosen to withdraw from moderation and likely from posting.

[_Dr. Shades]

I hate to bring this into the discussion but isn't there something we can do to retain the new moderator that's allegedly leaving or is this moderator destined to share an unmarked grave with the dead monkey?

Trust me, I already asked. Apparently it will be easier on the moderator him/herself to just cease moderating.

If people have a complaint about a moderator, they should make it in full public view and to hell with privacy so complaints can be compared to the moderators standing record of moderation.

I disagree. Some people like privacy, and I wouldn't begrudge them that.

This really gripes me that a new moderator has chosen to withdraw from moderation and likely from posting.

The moderation couldn't be helped, but hopefully he/she will continue posting after all.

[_marg]

Anyhow, here's another topic I wonder if y'all won't consider: The new moderators decided to delete personal attacks entirely within the post itself. Would it have been better to leave all personal attacks intact, and instead move the entire post to the Telestial Forum? That's sort of the direction I initially envisioned we'd go, so I was a bit surprised that the new moderators decided to go the former route.

On the whole I think it best to delete within the post rather than move it, especially for minor ad homs. However if the post addresses no issues and is essentially all ad hom with the seeming intent to poison the well against others in discussion, or derail or prevent advancement of discussion then it wouldn't disrupt the discussion or prevent advancing the argument by moving it out, it would do the opposite. So it depends on the circumstances.

[_moksha]

Would it have been better to leave all personal attacks intact, and instead move the entire post to the Telestial Forum? That's sort of the direction I initially envisioned we'd go, so I was a bit surprised that the new moderators decided to go the former route.

New Mods have shown wisdom!
Should we EXTERMINATE?

[_Jersey Girl]

Shades

Anyhow, here's another topic I wonder if y'all won't consider: The new moderators decided to delete personal attacks entirely within the post itself. Would it have been better to leave all personal attacks intact, and instead move the entire post to the Telestial Forum? That's sort of the direction I initially envisioned we'd go, so I was a bit surprised that the new moderators decided to go the former route.

I think that unless the entire post is a personal attack, the editing of personal attack from within (as I've seen it a few times) is best. That way you don't lose the non-attack content from the post or discussion.

[_Jersey Girl]

I disagree. Some people like privacy, and I wouldn't begrudge them that.

B.S. Why does anyone need privacy to make a complaint about a moderator call that is in plain view that can and should be referred to?

[_Jersey Girl]

Let me make an attempt to complete my thought.

Shades

I disagree. Some people like privacy, and I wouldn't begrudge them that.

The way you do business is cheeesy as all hell. You wave "right to privacy" around as if it had any relevance to posts and actions that are posted in full public view.

This is what should be going on:

If a person complains about moderator action they should supply a link to the post in question.

Following that, YOU as admin should enter the thread to resolve it in full public view.

That called "transparency" which is an issue I raised to you repeatedly in the past.

There is no reason to take complaints in private that have to do with moderator action that is in full public view. If the mod acted in error, it should be noted and corrected. If not, you should be backing your mods in full public view.

What you do, Shades, by accepting complaints because "some people like privacy" is open the door for people who fill up your PM box with complaints of any kind regarding a moderator regardless of whether or not a moderator failed to follow through on existing rules, to manipulate and influence you behind the scenes and causing you to act on your level of personal frustration...

instead of acting on the record of the moderators who volunteer their time and efforts and who essentially work under your direction.

Instead of respecting a rule of privacy that allows people to manipulate you behind the scenes and influence you so long as they can keep tantruming and kicking and otherwise drive you nuts is...

show some respect and appreciation for the work of your moderators.

[_Scottie]

Anyhow, here's another topic I wonder if y'all won't consider: The new moderators decided to delete personal attacks entirely within the post itself. Would it have been better to leave all personal attacks intact, and instead move the entire post to the Telestial Forum? That's sort of the direction I initially envisioned we'd go, so I was a bit surprised that the new moderators decided to go the former route.

I thought it was better to edit the post, since many times the personal attack is only one or two words and not the whole post. I'd rather see the bulk of the post which addresses the argument stay and deleted the parts of the post that are personal.

[_Yoda]

I think that if the clear cut rule is "No Personal Attacks in the Terrestrial" and everyone knows that is the rule, then the whole post should be moved to Telestial if there is a personal attack. If that person made comments toward the argument, then they will have to repost it without the attacks.

Maybe if they find themselves reposting things, they will understand that it is really not worth it to post personal attacks.

Also, if the whole post is moved, then nothing is truly censored.

Just my two cents.