harmony wrote:I don't seem to have much trouble in the real world (if anything, I'm TOO clear)... or even here, except with you. I think it's your ear rather than my mouth that has a problem (assuming a vocal exchange).
You simply misunderstood what I wrote, which was perfectly clear and not at all ambiguous.
I see no reason to go on repeating this. Why don't we drop it?
Daniel Peterson wrote:You simply misunderstood what I wrote, which was perfectly clear and not at all ambiguous.
*sigh*... wrong thread.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
I thought MacKinnon's book was wonderful, in that it brought together a large number of documents I had never seen before. The book was also very understated. Occasionally, however, I thought his conclusions were uncharacteristically overstated and unsupported -- particularly in areas dealing wth Brigham Young's sanction of personal violence. I don't mind such a conclusion as long as it has support. It also seemed to me that the book to some degree "looked" like and had the feel of Will Bagley's book, BOTP, in the way it used snippets of quotes from sources as the title of chapters and subchapters (thus overemphasizing some things).
But, I think that MacKinnon's book is a watershed for researchers, and I gratefully access it along with Moorman/Session, Hafen and Furniss. All four are very worthy books -- probably not all that well read, however.
At the risk of sounding heretical, I concur with Dan: the Joseph Smith Papers project is the most scholarly endeavor sponsored by the LDS church—at least in my lifetime. (I purchased multiple copies of the first volume for me and my fiancée.) The JSP volumes should be in the library of every serious student of Mormonism.
Also (those susceptible to fibrillation may want to stop reading now), I recommend the Brigham Young University Studies issue (47 [2008], no. 3) on the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The reviews of the Walker et al. book are remarkably balanced, Ron's essay is astonishingly candid, and the documents are impeccably transcribed. (I do have a few disagreements with the transcriptions—for example, the reading "widow of [] br." should have been given priority over "widow after" [pp. 54 || 55].)
Daniel Peterson wrote: And I've never commented on a book I haven't read.
My experience, my dear, is that you have read precious few books dealing with the church and its history, yet you feel competent to comment upon books and history all the time.
Remember when you thought "An Address to All Believers in Christ" was an actual sermon somewhere? Critical lack of knowledge of history, combined with malevolent intent and hatred of the Brethren, combines to bring about foolishness. The kind of foolishness Proverbs talks about repeatedly.
No, nothing sinister or conspiratorial. I'm just wondering why the Meridian-ites and MA&D-ites are having a Morgasm over something that's twenty years old anyway.
This deserves an appropriate response, but I'm not sure of the appropriate form the response should take.
The options are kaleidoscopic. I see Shades is in a testy mood tonight.
So be it...
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Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
It should be noted that Joseph's journals were dictated by him to his secretaries, generally. They are not the kind that are full of intimate, personal details.
Sorry Harmony, but your personal Fanny Alger fetish will not be satisfied by this collection.
There will be no morgasms over Joseph's personal sex life here.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
If it seems like a theme, maybe its because Mormons are not known for their candor in it's history and beliefs ..
Yes, in some circles...circles not necessarily themselves known for their intellectual veracity or candor in that which motivates their lack of intellectual veracity.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Poverty in America: Economic Research Shows Adverse Impacts on Health Status and Other Social Conditions as well as Economic Growth by the GAO.
Race, Poverty, and Cancer by Harold Freeman, MD, published in Journal of the National Cancer Institute. 1991.
Poverty, Culture, and Social Injustice, Determinants of Cancer Disparities, by Harold Freeman, MD published in CA, a Journal for Cancer Clinicians 2004
Differential Effects of Messages for Breast and Cervical Cancer Screening by Jibaja-Weiss et al, in Journal of Health Care for the Poor and Underserved , Feb 2005.
Cancer and Poverty: Double Jeopardy for Women by Jean Hardisty, PhD.
Rather revealing, to say the very least.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.