My first post anywhere as a former Mormon

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Re: My first post anywhere as a former Mormon

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harmony wrote:See, that's the thing. Mormons have so little time leftover for socializing, or at least, what the rest of the world regards as socializing. Between jobs, family responsibilities, callings, and meetings, there is precious little leftover.

We don't socialize with ward members. Not because we wouldn't, but very often because our interests take us down other paths. We spend our time with family, with co-workers, with people who volunteer doing the same things we do. Only rarely do we spend our free time with church members. We attend maybe two parties a year with the ward. Our social life doesn't revolve around the ward. This sets us apart from the majority of the ward. We simply don't connect outside of church (and to be truthful... we aren't welcomed to socialize much. We see ward members out having dinner together at the same restaurants we are, yet we are never invited. We aren't even invited to join them, when they do acknowledge our presence. We've invited others often, to our home, out to dinner or a show, only to be turned down. It only takes a few times of that for even such a tough ol' bird as me to figure out what's going on.) If I was waiting for the ward to fellowship me, I'd have walked away 35 years ago.


I don't think it is you so much as Mormonism that socially cripples its members. Whenever we met socially with other members, it was always a game of trying to figure out what you could talk about, outside of Church, that wouldn't offend them. And for many members, there is so little time outside of Church they do not have many other non-church activities other than the Church sanctioned ones (basketball, Boy Scouts, homemaking, etc).
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Jason Bourne wrote:No not really. They actually believe what they believe and think someone resigning is an eternal error not with standing your arrogant cynicism.


Yea its called cognitive dissonance..
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010


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Comments like that probably bug you (at least in part) because there's so much truth to them.


No Schmo, that is not why. If you read my post I acknowledged there is some truth to what he said. So you are wrong about me, once again.
I've reached out to a few of my church friends, and have been met with reservation and skepticism. These were guys who claimed were among my best friends, at one time.


Yes members are not always that friendly when someone does leave. I am not sure why. I guess that things can be awkward when one was a believer and hung out with believers and now one does not believe anymore. But FYI, at least for me, there is one fellow I know who left along with his wife and we still do things together periodically. In fact I probably go to lunch with this fellow more since he left then I did before.

It's painfully obvious that real friends are difficult to come by in the church.


Horse crap.
The kind of friendship available from members is that which is contingent on mutual belief. Of course, when what you believe is so unbelievable, I suppose you have to save your friendship for those who are going to help support the fantasy, not ruin it.


Of course you smugly think this. But you would be wrong.

Not very real or sincere friendship, if you ask me. But hey, if it's good enough for you, have at it


The reasons why someone who is a staunch believer may find it awkward to hang out with a former believer I think are complex. Perhaps there is some of what you think underlying things in the subconsciousness but certainly there is not in a blatant way. Typically friends hang out with friends that have things in common. The culture of the LDS Church is such that it is a large part of what people have in common. Take that away and it seems to make sense that some friendships if not most that were tied to this might come to an end at least as far as spending lots of time together.

Of course in the smug unbelievers view the believer is so insecure in their stupid irrational beliefs they are just running in terror from the now apostate. Perhaps the unbeliever finds comfort in this surety.
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The problem is that converts are sold a bill of goods on many fronts...the first is the notion that you will instantly have dozens of new friends and a whole group of people who love and care for you and will have your back.


Who promised you dozens of friends? You may gain a few friends. Maybe not. But you will gain a ward family that as you fellowship will grow to know you and care for you and even be there to help you out in many ways in times of need. But sometimes you get out of it what you put into it.

As Colonel Potter says: Horse Hockey!


I like Horse Pucky better.

You do get people who will judge what you wear, what music you listen to, what you drink, what political views you have etc.


Yes unfortunately that can happen.
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Jason Bourne wrote:No not really. They actually believe what they believe and think someone resigning is an eternal error not with standing your arrogant cynicism.

Yea its called cognitive dissonance


Oh well now we have the answers we can just close this thread down.

Smugness continues to rule at Shady Acres. :rolleyes:
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Jason Bourne wrote:Yea its called cognitive dissonance


Oh well now we have the answers we can just close this thread down.

Smugness continues to rule at Shady Acres. :rolleyes:[/quote]


And what, pray tell would you call it ? Enlightened?
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010


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liz3564 wrote:
BC wrote:Well done! Now go and get more of your hypocritical inactive friends to do the same so I don't have to home teach them.


That's a nice, charitable, Christ-like attitude.


Liz, instead of being an apostasy enabler, as is your usual function here, why not a little interrogation and challenge once in a while?
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So "phouchg", what's the story?

You've been unusually vague regarding the basis upon which you left the Church.
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Re: My first post anywhere as a former Mormon

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Droopy wrote:So "phouchg", what's the story?

You've been unusually vague regarding the basis upon which you left the Church.



I resigned because I choose not to be a member of the LDS church anymore.


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Re: My first post anywhere as a former Mormon

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The reasons to choose leaving Mormonism are complex and long. As well, they are sometimes highly personal. But most of all, it is no-body's business if someone chooses not to share. To leave a church, one has the legal right to give immediate notice without questions.
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