Problems With Christianity

[_Inconceivable]

Hi KA,

Thanks for posting this guy's observations. I'll add this:

The Mormon God re-affirms that Jesus (His Son who demonstrated the application of charity during his peaceable walk among men) is no other than the brutal God of the Old Testament. And particularly since Smith "re-translated" the Bible, this God has also made it clear that the book is historically acurate to this end.

Imagine Jesus slaughtering hundreds of thousands of men, women and their innocent children just moments after He asked God to give the non-mormon Roman soldiers a pass for crucifying Him.

Imagine this same God of Love drenched in human blood upon His return - offending the eyes of the little ones.

I used to think I had the answer to this confusion when I was a Mormon.

[_antishock8]

What is hell?

Hell is other people. -Sartre

[_Jason Bourne]

What do y'all think?

KA

I think he makes some excellent points and many of them are things I have been thinking about as well. Near the end the poster writes this:

I could never go from Mormonism to Christianity. As demonstrated above, Christianity reintroduces problems that Mormonism had solutions for, furthermore, I know too much about Christian origins to ever believe it is real.

I agree with him. But I would say it that I could never go from LDS Christianity to another brand of Christianity. Many of the problems he writes about spill over into Mormonism. But Mormonism attempts to answer many of the issues raised in your post that really boggle the mind. Say what you will about the history of Mormonism. Call it a fraud if you wish as to the story of its founding. But there is much in its theology that improves on historical Christianity and makes it more sensible in my opinion.

For me really, I cannot answer all these things. I have faith in a higher being, in God and it is faith only. I believe he did express himself to man in the form of Jesus. But this is my faith. And for me Mormonism still expresses my faith the best. I really could not jump into traditional Christianity because of so much of what is posted in the OP.

Another point, I almost see why many Christians bought into Calvinism. You see Calvinism has many of the problems listed in the OP. But what it does is just make us simple peices of clay and God the potter. If he wants to do things this way what right do we have to complain? None. He is God, perfect and Holy. We are just the potters clay. Us complaining about what God does should seem to us as nonsensical as the pottery that the potter is unhappy with complaining when the potter dashes it to pieces to start again.

[_Moniker]

I think that Jesus is the good part of Christianity. The rest I can scrap. I went through cog-dis for about 6 months and that sooo sucked, yet, yanno, I worked through it fairly well and am sort of thankful I didn't have to fool with being indoctrinated with a silly fantasy belief system that took 33+ years to get over.

CK, I always knew that God wasn't a personal God. I just thought I'd give that a go about a year ago 'cause other people were telling me that's what God was. They were wrong! I just gave it a shot, yet, knew they were wrong anyway. They also said I could choose to believe. Well, the thing is I can't choose to believe in something that is bs. :)

[_harmony]

I think that Jesus is the good part of Christianity. The rest I can scrap. I went through cog-dis for about 6 months and that sooo sucked, yet, yanno, I worked through it fairly well and am sort of thankful I didn't have to fool with being indoctrinated with a silly fantasy belief system that took 33+ years to get over.

CK, I always knew that God wasn't a personal God. I just thought I'd give that a go about a year ago 'cause other people were telling me that's what God was. They were wrong! I just gave it a shot, yet, knew they were wrong anyway. They also said I could choose to believe. Well, the thing is I can't choose to believe in something that is bs. :)

No wonder it didn't work for you. What did you expect?.. a vision? a personal visit? superpowers?

[_Moniker]

No wonder it didn't work for you. What did you expect?.. a vision? a personal visit? superpowers?

No, I expected none of the above. I was repeatedly told that when I was glum that prayer would work. Not very effective, for me.

[_Dr. Shades]

What do I think? I think the poster (can't remember his name) knows he is still a sinner.

Perhaps, perhaps not, but what does that have to do with the actual text of his post?

Please list the parts of his post that you disagree with and why.

[_Moniker]

Limbo? There is good reason that many non-believers consider all religion to be a mind virus.

I wouldn't think that the majority of non-believers consider religion a mind virus. I wonder if there are any stats on atheists and how they actually view religion. I imagine many are apathetic. I was completely apathetic about religion a year ago.

I think sometimes many of the rituals or beliefs can just appear very, very silly, yet, knowing it's just part of the culture, I think, helps me to understand why those involved in it believe as they do.

[_JoetheClerk]

The main problem is whether Jesus as an individual, son of God and Savior of mankind did actually exist or was a construction of many myths through the centuries rolled into one.

Is there anything concrete from the time he was supposed to have lived that is available? And no, the Bible is not evidence here.

[_John Larsen]

Limbo? There is good reason that many non-believers consider all religion to be a mind virus.

I wouldn't think that the majority of non-believers consider religion a mind virus. I wonder if there are any stats on atheists and how they actually view religion. I imagine many are apathetic. I was completely apathetic about religion a year ago.

I think sometimes many of the rituals or beliefs can just appear very, very silly, yet, knowing it's just part of the culture, I think, helps me to understand why those involved in it believe as they do.

My experience is that most so-called Christians or believers are apathetic. Most people who go to the bother to declare themselves atheists usually have strong feelings about it. But that is just my experience.