Tom Hanks:"Mormon Supporters of Proposition 8 'Un-American'"

[_Droopy]

The burden of proof is actually on YOUR outlandish bigoted theories. Read Kinsey and the followup research if you need scientific justification. Not like scientific research has swayed you previously though.

I haven't spoken to you for a long time (for good reason), but I could not pass up the obvious opportunity to point out that, yet again, you have disqualified yourself from any serious consideration as an intellectually mature adult.

This is utterly falling-on-the-floor funny...if it weren't so pathetically sad.

And they call this the "information age"?

Right.

[_Mercury]

The burden of proof is actually on YOUR outlandish bigoted theories. Read Kinsey and the followup research if you need scientific justification. Not like scientific research has swayed you previously though.

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I can do without the jackassery. There is a reason you left Loran and it was not because of me. It was because of your inability to be taken seriously.

By the way, on a side note I'm looking for some property in West Virginia. Preferrably I am looking forward to living in a cabin on a hill in Butcher Holler. It sounds all trendy LA escape plan, I know...but I want to get back to the rustic side of life. Got any good places like that I could send one of my lackeys to look at?

[_Rollo Tomasi]

See link below for article. I agree that "unAmerican" was not the proper word -- "homophobe" or "bigot" would have been better, in my opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482266,00.html

[_Jason Bourne]

See link below for article. I agree that "unAmerican" was not the proper word -- "homophobe" or "bigot" would have been better, in my opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482266,00.html

Of course it would. But then you seem to me you have a phobia of those who really do have non bigoted reasons for taking the stance they do.

But I doubt we will agree on this at all. Carry on.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

But then you seem to me you have a phobia of those who really do have non bigoted reasons for taking the stance they do.

I wouldn't call it a "phobia." I honestly don't see any non-bigoted reason to support Prop. 8.

But I doubt we will agree on this at all.

Agreed.

[_Droopy]

I wouldn't call it a "phobia." I honestly don't see any non-bigoted reason to support Prop. 8.

You really just do not get it, do you? But then, as a committed leftist, how could you?

My anti-prop 8 views are strictly a matter of principle, not bigotry against anyone personally. Do you get it now, Rollo?

Oh, but I forgot, there is no such thing as principled dissent from liberal beliefs. How could there be dissent from the gnostically pure, compassionate, and righteous?

Why not just admit, Rollo, that the homophobia and bigotry card, like their sibling, the race card, is nothing more than a debate circumvention tactic, when not simply functioning as a stick of the morally self anointed to beat opponents that cannot be defeated in the marketplace of ideas in any other way?

[_Droopy]

You're the one screaming about THE LEFT causing all this, when in fact 4 of the 5 CA judges who joined to recognize gay marriage were appointees of THE RIGHT.

Prop 8 is, indeed, a program of the cultural and political Left. I fail to see the point being made in that some of these judges were appointed by Republicans.

Rollo, are you seriously contending here that Schwarzenegger is a part of "the Right"? Were Wilson and Deukmejian ever considered "conservatives" in any, like John McCain, but a peripheral sense?

I'm sure you can probably do better than this, but why bother when you can score points by arguing in your usual manner.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

My anti-prop 8 views are strictly a matter of principle, not bigotry against anyone personally.

I guess even bigotry can be a 'principle.'

Why not just admit, Rollo, that the homophobia and bigotry card, like their sibling, the race card, is nothing more than a debate circumvention tactic, when not simply functioning as a stick of the morally self anointed to beat opponents that cannot be defeated in the marketplace of ideas in any other way?

Bigotry is what it is, whether about race or homosexuality. Let's call a spade a spade, Loran -- your rantings on the issue reflect precisely what 'principle' you espouse: BIGOTRY.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Prop 8 is, indeed, a program of the cultural and political Left. I fail to see the point being made in that some of these judges were appointed by Republicans.

The Republican Party has been hijacked by your blessed Right. Hence, my mention that 4 of the 5 judges in the majority of the gay marriage case (Republican appointees) have a much greater affinity to The Right than The Left.

[_Jaybear]

Bigotry is what it is, whether about race or homosexuality. Let's call a spade a spade, Loran -- your rantings on the issue reflect precisely what 'principle' you espouse: BIGOTRY.

There could have been other motives driving Droopy's support of Prop 8. Such as:

1. Blind obedience to God's anointed. Droopy believes that the Brethren in SLC speak to and for God. Since the Brethren commanded the true believers to support prop 8, you would expect that true believers such as Droopy, would follow those commands, irrespective of whether he is a bigot, and irrespective of whether his conscience told him bigotry and discrimination against gays is wrong. See Mountain Meadows Massacre.

2. Irrational fear. Droopy and other were told that allowing gays to marry, would lead to the destruction of the family, which is at the core of the fabric of society. There are a lot of simple minded, fear driven people, who are not bigoted, but certainly aren't going to support gay rights, when the fabric of society is hanging by a thread.

That said, Droopy's zealous support of prop 8, would also lead me to conclude that the principle that drives Droopy is his belief that homosexuality is an abomination before God ... righteous bigotry.