Does Uncle Dale Receive Special Protection Here?

[_Ray A]

The first qualifier I have to make is that I have nothing personal against Dale.

My criticism is of the biased moderation (once again) by marg on the Authorship thread. I've called marg on her bias before, and Shades defender her.

But her latest "attempt" at moderation has me somewhat in a flux.

This is mikwut's offending sentence, followed by a very long and substantial post contributing to the debate.

Not only is UD flippant dismissal simplistic and ridiculous the reply he does give us fails miserably.

marg intervened:

Mod note; Mikwut could you please refrain from ad hominems. They are cheap shots, easy to throw out and poison the well. Let the readers decide for themselves. If you continue I might start deleting them and if they get out of hand move your entire post. Note UD gave a condensed version,that's what he was asked for. marg

Yet on page 45 of the thread, marg ignored this from Byron:

It seems that "why me" is delusional.

Also on page 45 she ignored this from NorthboundZax:

mikwut, you are twisting in the wind here.

Now Shades has said that any of the mods can moderate the Authorship thread, yet marg has a special dominance of this thread.

So what's the deal? Does UD have special (biased) protection here?

More importantly: Does the S/R Theory have special protection here?

PS: I'm fast starting to see Brent's reasons for not posting on this thread anymore.
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[_Jersey Girl]

The first qualifier I have to make is that I have nothing personal against Dale.

My criticism is of the biased moderation (once again) by marg on the Authorship thread. I've called marg on her bias before, and Shades defender her.

But her latest "attempt" at moderation has me somewhat in a flux.

This is mikwut's offending sentence, followed by a very long and substantial post contributing to the debate.

Not only is UD flippant dismissal simplistic and ridiculous the reply he does give us fails miserably.

marg intervened:

Mod note; Mikwut could you please refrain from ad hominems. They are cheap shots, easy to throw out and poison the well. Let the readers decide for themselves. If you continue I might start deleting them and if they get out of hand move your entire post. Note UD gave a condensed version,that's what he was asked for. marg

Yet on page 45 of the thread, marg ignored this from Byron:

It seems that "why me" is delusional.

Also on page 45 she ignored this from NorthboundZax:

mikwut, you are twisting in the wind here.

Now Shades has said that any of the mods can moderate the Authorship thread, yet marg has a special dominance of this thread.

So what's the deal? Does UD have special (biased) protection here?

More importantly: Does the S/R Theory have special protection here?

PS: I'm fast starting to see Brent's reasons for not posting on this thread anymore.
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Did you ask marg if she saw the comments you point out here? What do you mean by "special dominance"? You mean she shows up on the thread? How many threads do the other moderators show up on?

The one's they're reading?

I disagree that Shades defended her. He simply validated what I myself had told you.

[_marg]

Yes, the answer is Dale, enjoys preferential treatment due to poor health, along with his expertise which is of value to the issues presented in the thread.

I do not want him wasting time replying to unwarranted cheap shots thrown his way.

The first time I ignored it by Mikwut, and Dale responded . Then more posts from others ensued related to the ad hom.

So I chose to nip it in the bud so to speak and ask Mikwut to refrain.

Sure there are other ad homs in there but on the whole it's not excessive and not disruptive. There are also superfluous posts in there but again, I'm letting those stay as long as they aren't too disruptive.

My goal is to allow the discussion to progress with as little disruption vis moderation or from posters as possible, and without unwarranted attacks on individuals with Dale getting preferential treatment to an extent due to special circumstances noted above.

[_Ray A]

Did you ask marg if she saw the comments you point out here? What do you mean by "special dominance"? You mean she shows up on the thread? How many threads do the other moderators show up on? The one's they're reading?

I did not say "special dominance". I said "special protection". It is a moderator's duty to search ALL posts on a thread they are specifically directed to moderate. marg doesn't have a great deal to do in the CK, and this thread was specifically assigned to her, at your request. That she chastised mikwut, but ignored Byron and Northbound Zax, can't be an oversight. Or maybe it was, because marg appears to only see the criticisms against her position on an issue.

[_Yoda]

Now Shades has said that any of the mods can moderate the Authorship thread, yet marg has a special dominance of this thread.

So what's the deal? Does UD have special (biased) protection here?

More importantly: Does the S/R Theory have special protection here?

PS: I'm fast starting to see Brent's reasons for not posting on this thread anymore.

I don't think that Marg has any designated "special dominance". She has just been following the thread more closely due to her interest in the subject matter.

As far as Uncle Dale is concerned, we recognize that he has contributed a considerable amount of research and time to the Book of Mormon Authorship thread, and is in poor health. Based on the amount of time he has been willing to devote, we are going to make sure that he does not have to repeat himself unnecessarily.

The S/R Theory does not have special protection. Scholarly debate on both sides of the issue are more than welcome. It simply must be handled in a civil manner.

I honestly have no idea why Brent decided not to post on the thread anymore. He is certainly more than welcome to post here anytime.

As far as the one-liners you mentioned that were ignored, they appear to be honest oversights to me. Do you have links of where they occurred? If you can provide them, I will be more than happy to edit them. I'm asking for links because it is a 40+ page thread. Anytime you have a thread that long, there are things that are going to get missed.

[_Ray A]

Yes, the answer is he enjoys preferential treatment due to poor health, along with his expertise which is of value to the issues presented in the thread.

And we know Dale's poor health. Do you know about Charity's poor health? And if SHE posted here again, would you give her special protection? This isn't about health, marg it's about your awful bias!

I do not want him wasting time replying to unwarranted cheap shots thrown his way.

Such concern. And if , theoretically, he opposed the S/R Theory, would you be as concerned?

The first time I ignored it by Mikwut, and Dale responded . Then more posts from others ensued related to the ad hom.

So I chose to nip it in the bud so to speak and ask Mikwut to refrain.

Yeah, with the proverbial hammer to a fly. One sentence! And you threaten to delete ALL of his future posts.

Sure there are other ad homs in there but on the whole it's not excessive and not disruptive. There are also superfluous posts in there but again, I'm letting those stay as long as they aren't too disruptive.

And how, pray tell, was ONE sentence from mikwut "disruptive"??

[_Jersey Girl]

Did you ask marg if she saw the comments you point out here? What do you mean by "special dominance"? You mean she shows up on the thread? How many threads do the other moderators show up on? The one's they're reading?

I did not say "special dominance". I said "special protection". It is a moderator's duty to search ALL posts on a thread they are specifically directed to moderate. marg doesn't have a great deal to do in the CK, and this thread was specifically assigned to her, at your request. That she chastised mikwut, but ignored Byron and Northbound Zax, can't be an oversight. Or maybe it was, because marg appears to only see the criticisms against her position on an issue.

Now you're just pissing me off for no good reason, Ray. You didn't say special dominance? Here:

Now Shades has said that any of the mods can moderate the Authorship thread, yet marg has a special dominance of this thread.

You didn't post that?

This thread was NOT specifically assigned to her. This was discussed with you publically or don't you remember that and if you don't remember that, then why should anyone waste time responding to you here?

Go look for our exchanges and refresh your memory regarding that and Shades verification of what I stated to you.

[_Yoda]

Do you know about Charity's poor health? And if SHE posted here again, would you give her special protection?

I am aware that she had an injury that left her wheelchair bound for quite a while. I would love to see her post here again. Is her health failing? My understanding is that she hasn't posted on MAD in quite a while, either.

To answer your question, YES. I would give her special protection if she was providing the same amount of time and research to a subject, and had the same type of health concerns.

Also, I actually invited her to participate on several threads I conducted in the Celestial Forum last year, and was protective of her when ad homs were thrown her way.

[_Ray A]

I don't think that Marg has any designated "special dominance". She has just been following the thread more closely due to her interest in the subject matter.

I would suggest, a conflict of interest.

As far as Uncle Dale is concerned, we recognize that he has contributed a considerable amount of research and time to the Book of Mormon Authorship thread, and is in poor health. Based on the amount of time he has been willing to devote, we are going to make sure that he does not have to repeat himself unnecessarily.

You mean like I have to in my debates with marg? Choice!

I think Shades is behind this too. And it shatters his claim that this board is any different to MAD, in regard to "special protection", of posters, OR threads.

The S/R Theory does not have special protection. Scholarly debate on both sides of the issue are more than welcome. It simply must be handled in a civil manner.

Well let's ensure that "handled in a civil manner" applies to all posters on the thread.

I honestly have no idea why Brent decided not to post on the thread anymore. He is certainly more than welcome to post here anytime.

Probably because he saw a long time ago what I'm now seeing.

As far as the one-liners you mentioned that were ignored, they appear to be honest oversights to me. Do you have links of where they occurred? If you can provide them, I will be more than happy to edit them. I'm asking for links because it is a 40+ page thread. Anytime you have a thread that long, there are things that are going to get missed.

The person assigned to this thread, marg, could not have missed these, unless she's incompetent, or biased.

[_Ray A]

Also, I actually invited her to participate on several threads I conducted in the Celestial Forum last year, and was protective of her when ad homs were thrown her way.

I don't doubt you, Liz. I don't doubt you at all.