Does Uncle Dale Receive Special Protection Here?

[_Ray A]

I'm going to look at your post and address it, surprised?

Not at all. Neither should Liz. Are you going to do a Jersey Girl act now, and forever bitch about losing your mod status?

[_Ray A]

Yes it is for the good of the board. This is open discussion Ray.

I suspect it's more for marg's personal vindication.

[_Yoda]

Marg---Ray---

I have a suggestion. Since your arguments have basically come full circle, and most of your disagreements seem to be over the NDE issue, why not let this thread die, and continue your argument on the other thread?

All that's happening now is that, as Dale pointed out, this thread is simply distracting from the Book of Mormon Authorship Thread.

Simply by this thread being popped up to the top, readers are drawn to finding out if something else is being said about the preferential treatment of Dale, due to the title of the thread.

Now that the primary issue of Dale's supposed preferential treatment has been resolved, let's let this thread die, and begin anew.

This, of course, is simply my suggestion as a fellow poster. As a Mod, I don't really care what you do.

[_Ray A]

by the way, try not to come back with any "horse crap" comments. It's very petty minded.

[_Yoda]

Are you going to do a Jersey Girl act now, and forever bitch about losing your mod status?

Cheap shot, Ray. That's not what Jersey Girl did.

[_Ray A]

Simply by this thread being popped up to the top, readers are drawn to finding out if something else is being said about the preferential treatment of Dale, due to the title of the thread.

Let's see now how much marg really cares about Dale. I'm prepared to drop it with this post if she agrees.

[_marg]

One can read garbage and gain nothing, one can read uncritically and gain wrong insights and/or no insights of any consequence. Reading lots is no indication that one thinks well about an issue.

Except when it comes to Spalding?

"Except when it comes to Spalding" huh? One has to be able to evaluate evidence, have an appreciation why some is stronger than others. All data is not equal.

I pointed out in a previous post that Lommel is to NDE's as Brodie is to the issue of who wrote the Book of Mormon.

With NDE paranormal theorist fanatics they use Lommel as if he's the ultimate word on the issue. Who did you bring up first ...Lommel. It is so very obvious to anyone who does any reasonable evaluation of what he says that his conclusions are flawed. Similarly with the sole author theory versus Spalding who do sole author theorists bring up ..Brodie. She writes a bit against the theory in an appendix, states a complete lie that all spalding witnesses had only heard or read a Spalding manuscript once..and dismisses the theory essentially on that..that these witnesses are unreliable. So Ray you have to be able to evaluate not only the evidence but those specialists who present it. And it always matters that the evidnece given should commensurate with the claims made.

For Smith to have written the Book of Mormon in the manner he claims in such a short period of time is extraordinary. Much more unrealistic or likely to happen than the Book of Mormon was a planned work which evolved slowly over years by more than one person.

And being well educated and having a PHD, as Lommel (re the NDE discussion) does, does not mean that the person thinks well on all issues put to them.

Unless her name is Susan Blackmore?

Susan Blackmore does not support your position. She is not agnostic on this issue, she is inline with Dr. Woerlee, Dr. Crislip, Dr. Dieguez..all 4 reject Lommel because his conclusions were flawed.

Other scientists have refuted his article.

Not in The Lancet. That's their opportunity, but they haven't taken it up. And maybe you should get a clue as to why they haven't tried, because they are only offering counter-opinions, not conclusive facts.

There are some similarities to Mormonism and this issue. Most scientists look at the Lommel article I'm sure and think it's pathetic. If I can look at it and evaluate its weakness and see holes in the reasoning , and I did that before reading what the scientists said, then the scientists must think it's a bit of a joke. Just like people from the outside looking at Mormonism think the Book of Mormon and LDS claims that it's literal history is not worthy of serious consideration. Lommel never established that the people were unconscious when they experienced their NDE's..it's that simply. Consequently his conclusion is flawed.

So intelligence is multifaceted and shows up differently in people.

It sure does.

My point being that just because someone has a PHD does not mean they can't be wrong, misinformed, can't be irrational, can't be delusional, can think critically well on all issues. Whatever they say, must be critically evaluated. You used Lommel as the ultimate authority ..but you didn't critically evaluate his findings very well. And when I presented what other scientists had to say, what reasoning they gave you dismissed it.

In a post last night you indicated you hadn't read what they said and so I posted it. No comment from you on what they had to say.

[_Ray A]

In a post last night you indicated you hadn't read what they said and so I posted it. No comment from you on what they had to say.

Once again you're distorting. I did read what they said. They were all clear that they were offering opinions. Not "scientific fact", end of debate - which is what you want. Because you can't live with uncertainty. And you can't wait for on-going studies. You want to declare it all a dead issue, because of your insecurity.

I suggest you start another thread to debate this, so as to avoid bringing this thread back to the top.

[_marg]

Simply by this thread being popped up to the top, readers are drawn to finding out if something else is being said about the preferential treatment of Dale, due to the title of the thread.

Let's see now how much marg really cares about Dale. I'm prepared to drop it with this post if she agrees.

This is no longer about Dale, this is about you. This discussion has shifted to where it should have been in the first place, what your real issues were in all this. I'm sure you are prepared to drop it. You've not wanted to discuss the real issues ever. All along what you've offered is personal attacks.
The start of this thread was just a continuation of personal attacks from the NDE thread

You are the real biased low life in all this.

[_Ray A]

This is no longer about Dale, this is about you. This discussion has shifted to where it should have been in the first place, what your real issues were in all this. I'm sure you are prepared to drop it. You've not wanted to discuss the real issues ever. All along what you've offered is personal attacks.
The start of this thread was just a continuation of personal attacks from the NDE thread

You are the real biased low life in all this.

Once again I'm asking, just how thick are you?

Did you read Liz's comments? Do you understand plain English?

Start a new thread and I'll spend most of the day debating you. (Apart from an appointment I have at 11am)