Prophets, Revelation, and Extreme Future

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_Jason Bourne
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Re: Prophets, Revelation, and Extreme Future

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Jason,
Sounds like you're just a little edgy over something. You know what the problems are. They've been repeated ad-nauseum here. I'll just let it go unless you really want to spar.


I am not edgy at all. My okie dokie was meant to be pleasant, even chummy. However, I do not buy into your seeming expectations that every thing must be spelled out and revealed 50 years before something becomes a problem. God gives humans agency. I think if God revealed things as It seems you expect agency would be destroyed.

Does the church do everything perfectly? Not at all. Do they do some things very well? Yes.

But for you they do nothing well. For you in fact they do everything wrong and even end up damaging more than helping. You are angry over your loss of belief and your sense of betrayel. I understand some of that. I have my own beefs as well. But for you is seems, the LDS Church is bereft of anything good or worthy. Such is simply not the case.

Also, I am always astounded when someone tells me I am not familiar with certain things because I disagree with them. What on that list do you think I am not familiar with? Abuse? I can assure you I am both from having been abused as a youth by a person I worked for having those who have been abused come to me. Addiction? I have read plenty on this and am well acquainted with the Church leaderships concern and effort about this. Assisting the poor? I am intimately familiar with fast offerings and how much money goes into this at least in my ward and stake. Fast offering assistance is helping the poor and has been in place for a long time. Other church welfare? Again I am very familiar with how this came to be in the Church, how it works and so on. How about other humanitarian aid. How about church family services? I have been involved with many people who use their services with great satisfaction.


Honestly, based on your comments I think it may be you who is not familiar at all with much the church does and has done on the things you say they have not done at all.
_Inconceivable
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Re: Prophets, Revelation, and Extreme Future

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Jason Bourne wrote:Also, I am always astounded when someone tells me I am not familiar with certain things because I disagree with them.

Me too.

(note to self: Jason is being chummy when he writes "okie dokie" to me)

Seriously, thanks for the clarification. I honestly couldn't tell if you were smiling, perturbed or just simply sitting in a bowl of cornflakes.
_Jason Bourne
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Re: Prophets, Revelation, and Extreme Future

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Inconceivable wrote:
(note to self: Jason is being chummy when he writes "okie dokie" to me)

Seriously, thanks for the clarification. I honestly couldn't tell if you were smiling, perturbed or just simply sitting in a bowl of cornflakes.


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_Roger Morrison
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Re: Prophets, Revelation, and Extreme Future

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Jason, thanks for your thoughtful reply. Part pasted below into which I'll insert in this:

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We all have opinions. Maybe someday we will know who has the correct ones. I find nothing wrong with your wish list nor TDs. But prophets may really be doing what God wants. I'm sure they are in some ways, as we all are.. This thread was started with the intent of criticizing prophets for not letting us know about things TD thinks they should. Yes, and I think both you and me are sometimes disappointed with LDS leadership on issues of social significance... She is in her right to be disappointed and even reject the prophets due to their (apparent) failure to be what she would like to see. Yet they still may be doing God's will. "may" (might) is hardly dynamic...we all fall into that dubious state...


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When any LDS Prophet of today, steps outside of the Mormon parameters into the world with that message--as they did re Prop 8--then I think you might see a return of some, and an interest from others.


The LDS prophets believed the prop 8 issues were most likely a key prophetic issue to deal with. True they did/do but with no base other than in fear and ignorance of the homosexual community. That being based on obscure biblical passage, justifying predjudice as slavery was justified for centuries because it was practiced in the Bible..


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That's what I imagine a True Prophet doing. As did Prophets of the Old Testament. They stood against the greed and poverty of their time. Maybe antiestablisment types???


One could argue the LDS Church is going against the accepted norm with prop 8 and their stand. True, in party with other religious fundamentalist. Many of whom do not consider Mormons to be Christians. Politics sure do make strange bed-fellows...

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Jas, in another post you mentioned some not seeing any good within LDSism. I'm not one of those. I think that is what disappoints me. And in my own weak way motivates me to encourage a Mormon awakening to engage the real message found in the good-news, (the gospel). I'm reluctant to even use that term because of its religious connotations.

I guess it's Religiosity--Mormon & otherwise--that gnaws at my sense of justice and truth... Sounds like a confession, eh?? :wink:
Roger
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