UPDATE ON MODERATORIAL POLICY

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_Dr. Shades
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UPDATE ON MODERATORIAL POLICY

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Dear MormonDiscussions.com participants:

Recent developments have convinced me that we need yet another course correction in our quest to perfect this message board. In other words, your concerns have been heard.

From this point forward, our moderatorial modus operandii will change in the following ways:

First change:

ALL threads in the Terrestrial Forum will be run like ALL OTHER threads in the Terrestrial Forum. (The same goes for all other threads in their own respective home forums.) If someone wishes to have a thread hosted in the Terrestrial Forum (instead of the Celestial Forum) in order to give it more exposure, then that person must also be willing to take the "hit" that Terrestrial-level discourse will take place within it. In the future, all thread originators must remember that that's simply the price to pay for greater exposure.

Of course, there's nothing preventing moderators to be more vigilant when it comes to splitting off derailments or off-topic posts at the thread originator's request. Even in such a case, only actual derailments will be split. Potential derailments will be allowed to stand, since we've learned that doing otherwise raises far more ire and thus engenders, paradoxically, much more potential for further derailment.

Second change:

In the Terrestrial Forum, we are going to be a little more predictable--and lenient--when it comes to deleting ad hominem material and personal attacks. To whit, some ad hominems are more extreme than others, so to best reconcile the contradictory concepts of running a free speech board while simultaneously keeping everyone happy, we're going to delete the more blatant, obvious attacks and let slide the ones that are more open to alternate interpretation. Here's how this will work in actual practice:

  1. If the attack is something that will drive people away from the board, as expressed by the folks who were the impetus behind the Great Moderatorial Experiment, it will be deleted.
  2. If there is a reasonable doubt about whether or not it crosses the line, it will stand.
  3. Not all personal attacks will be considered equal, even if they say the same thing. For example, something that might technically be an attack but is nevertheless witty, sophisticated, or otherwise requires (even a little) brainpower to think up will be allowed to stand. On the other hand, attacks that are gutter-level, junior-high, or trailer park-ish will be deleted. For example, attacks like "It saddens me to see you suffering under the malignant cancer of Mopologetic dystrophy" would be allowed to stay, whereas attacks like "you stupid dumbass!" would not.

Now, I know what you're all thinking. While reading the above list, you thought to yourself, "Yes, but how can the moderators all agree in every instance? Aren't some of those things subjective determinations?" My answer is YES, they indeed ARE subjective. Not that I like it that way, of course, but because that's the simple reality of there being more than one moderator and all of us being human. I have already given each of my moderators strict instructions that, while in moderator mode, they must each become a clone of me, do things precisely the way I would do them, suppress any and all creativity and innovativeness, and otherwise surrender their free agency. (I think the recent goings-on were symptomatic of an unwitting departure from those instructions, nothing more.) Nevertheless, while considering "What Would Dr. Shades Do," it's inevitable that they'll guess wrong on occasion. Please cut them some slack; THIS IS NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE BIASED AGAINST YOU, it's merely because we're all different people and sometimes interpret things differently, much as it pains us.

Hopefully this will put to rest any fears of us going the way of MA&D and simultaneously rebuild confidence in the future of MormonDiscussions.com.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

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Thanks for the board shades!
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You're very welcome! I hope that you, and everyone else, will continue to get much enjoyment out of it on into the future.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

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Re: UPDATE ON MODERATORIAL POLICY

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Dr. Shades wrote:Recent developments have convinced me that we need yet another course correction in our quest to perfect this message board. In other words, your concerns have been heard.

Sounds reasonable. Thanks, Doc!
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Re: UPDATE ON MODERATORIAL POLICY

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Thanks, Dr. Shades! The bloviating Mormon Apologist pustules should be dealt with kid gloves since their obfuscations, ad hominems, and misdirections lead to various apologetic sundries that stimulate this discussion board in a manner most agreeable with the Mormon moderators and their apoplectic accomplices! It's a wonderful and momentous discovery to know that if one simply purchases his pithy and witty remarks with five-dollar words that the insult will be pegged (shout out to Chonguey) to the thread rather than be relegated to ethereal obscurity. THANK YOU!

So. Rather than call some professorial gasbag a "fat “F”" all I need to do is call him a "pontificating cancer who demonstrated that the presence of maggots in putrefying meat does not result demonic damnation and an overinflated sense of self-importance and obstinate refusal to acknowledge deity, but rather a common sense reality of life" who chooses to enrich himself through his "academic" pursuit enfattening himself and his family at the expense of truth...

KUDOS!! I love this NEW reality!!! LOVE IT!! THANK YOU!!!
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Re: UPDATE ON MODERATORIAL POLICY

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First change:

ALL threads in the Terrestrial Forum will be run like ALL OTHER threads in the Terrestrial Forum. (The same goes for all other threads in their own respective home forums.) If someone wishes to have a thread hosted in the Terrestrial Forum (instead of the Celestial Forum) in order to give it more exposure, then that person must also be willing to take the "hit" that Terrestrial-level discourse will take place within it. In the future, all thread originators must remember that that's simply the price to pay for greater exposure.

Of course, there's nothing preventing moderators to be more vigilant when it comes to splitting off derailments or off-topic posts at the thread originator's request. Even in such a case, only actual derailments will be split. Potential derailments will be allowed to stand, since we've learned that doing otherwise raises far more ire and thus engenders, paradoxically, much more potential for further derailment.


Wait a sec, Shades. The above makes it appear as if I expected the Book of Mormon Authorship thread to be treated as a Celestial thread.

The only requests I made of moderators or yourself with regards to requests for action on the thread was to split off topic remarks.

I want that made clear.

I don't know where the idea came from that I asked for or expected it to be treated like a Celestial thread because I didn't.

Here's a copy of a request I made 20 days into the thread:

Request to moderators: I would like to see this lengthy thread remain on topic. If it's not asking too much, could a moderator comb back through the last 3-4 pages, weed out the off topic exchanges and split them off into their own thread? Please take this post along with the off topic exchanges that you find.

Thanks,
Jersey Girl


All I ever requested the entire time were that moderators remove off topic exchanges and initially, that it be pinned.
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I don't envy you, Shades. You should be paid for doing this.
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Jersey Girl wrote:The only requests I made of moderators or yourself with regards to requests for action on the thread was to split off topic remarks.

I want that made clear.

I don't know where the idea came from that I asked for or expected it to be treated like a Celestial thread because I didn't.


Well I know now where the idea came from, and no one corrected it:




harmony wrote:
It's a Celestial thread in the Terrestial forum, so it gets the traffic it deserves. It's not sacred and it's not secret, but Celestial standards will be enforced.

Yes, but in my opinion marg is moderating it in a biased way, which brings me to:


And when you offer to moderate, Shades will take into account your biases too. I've sure as heck got them, as anyone with eyes could see me jumping up and down with glee that Brent had showed up on that thread.

What on earth does a "multi-billion dollar church" have to do with any of this? This sort of bias shouldn't even enter a moderator's considerations!

Furthermore, what on earth does Brent Metcalfe have to do with this multi-billion dollar church?


I suspect that marg doesn't know Brent's affiliation. Maybe we could cut her some slack, since she wasn't around for Z's meltdown?

not "vulnerable to attacks" on message boards? Is marg talking about attacks, or just bold criticism she doesn't like?


harmony wrote:Celestial standards on that thread, as was clearly stated at the beginning. It's a gem; let's keep it that way.

And yes, I know who started this pissing match. I'm just not sure why others have joined in like they have.


And Jersey Girl implied as much:

Jersey Girl wrote:
I asked Shades if marg could moderate the thread to perform a split. He approved that. I made the request because marg is assigned to moderate the Celestial Forum.


Off Topic Comments from Book of Mormon Authorship Thread


See you later. The real world calls.
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Re: UPDATE ON MODERATORIAL POLICY

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I know where the idea of it being treated as a Celestial thread came from too and it has nothing whatsoever with ME requesting it be treated as such.

Jersey Girl "implied" nothing of the sort. I asked Shades if marg could split the thread because I assumed she needed admin approval to moderate outside of the forum she was assigned to.

Any other straws you'd like to grasp?
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Re: UPDATE ON MODERATORIAL POLICY

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Rollo Tomasi wrote:Sounds reasonable. Thanks, Doc!

You're certainly welcome, Rollo.

Antishock8 wrote:So. Rather than call some professorial gasbag a "fat f***" all I need to do is call him a "pontificating cancer who demonstrated that the presence of maggots in putrefying meat does not result demonic damnation and an overinflated sense of self-importance and obstinate refusal to acknowledge deity, but rather a common sense reality of life" who chooses to enrich himself through his "academic" pursuit enfattening himself and his family at the expense of truth...

YES. THAT IS 100% CORRECT.

Jersey Girl wrote:Wait a sec, Shades. The above makes it appear as if I expected the Book of Mormon Authorship thread to be treated as a Celestial thread.

The only requests I made of moderators or yourself with regards to requests for action on the thread was to split off topic remarks.

True, but one or two moderators misinterpreted your intent. My clarification was meant to prevent any such problem from happening in the future.

Ray A wrote:I don't envy you, Shades. You should be paid for doing this.

I agree, damn it! If anyone wants to mail me a check, PM me and I'll give you my address. :-)
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

--Louis Midgley
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