I'm gonna grab you to be one of my plural wives in the CK

[_truth dancer]

Hi Harmony...

You are exactly right.

Nothing at apologist can come up with explains away a prophet of God screwing his sixteen year old housemaid.

And, of course Joseph Smith didn't even abide by his own "revelations" concerning the matter.

Based on scripture, Joseph Smith was supposed to limit his affairs to ten virgins who were not vowed to another man. The first wife was supposed to give her permission, and the virgins were given to multiply and replenish the world.

Seems Joseph Smith didn't limit himself to ten girls or women, didn't just pick virgins, didn't just pick girls and women who were not "vowed" to another man, didn't get Emma's permission, and didn't seem to have offspring who would "replenish the world".

Just sayin...

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood-if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

~td~

[_cinepro]

What, did you forget this from April 2006?

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... t&p=414680

Wow. I can't believe I missed that.

There was a Friends episode where the concept of a "freebie list" was introduced, where each member of a monogamous couple had a list of 5 celebrities that they had permission to sleep with if the situation ever presented itself. Theoretically, such a list would relieve some of the pressure of maintaining fidelity over the years...the idea that there's still a slim chance of "approved" sex with a different person. I wonder if the idea of future polygamy serves the same mental function for some LDS men...

[_Seven]

There was a Friends episode where the concept of a "freebie list" was introduced, where each member of a monogamous couple had a list of 5 celebrities that they had permission to sleep with if the situation ever presented itself. Theoretically, such a list would relieve some of the pressure of maintaining fidelity over the years...the idea that there's still a slim chance of "approved" sex with a different person. I wonder if the idea of future polygamy serves the same mental function for some LDS men...

I remember that episode and am interested to see who my spouse would choose.... :D

Another fun (or dangerous) experiment to try with your spouse is discussing a replacement.
"Everybody Loves Raymond" did a great episode on it:

Episode 20 Season 7-
Debra gets annoyed with Ray when he seems pleased that she's picked one of her attractive friends to replace her if she dies. When Marie informs them an elderly neighbor, Rose Caputo, passed away, Frank wonders why Marie is taking the news so hard and she reveals she had chosen Rose to "replace" her if she died before Frank. That night, Debra tells Ray she's chosen her attractive friend Linda for him. Debra gets angry, though, when Ray smiles at the thought of Linda, and is further upset when Ray suggests Linda's out-of-shape husband Bernie for her. Debra decides to cancel plans with Bernie and Linda because she wants to keep Ray away from his "future wife" - only to run into them by accident at Rose's wake.

Here's the end clip of what happens at the funeral:
future spouse

[_Seven]

I have heard more LDS women make polygamy jokes than men but I'm not sure what goes on behind closed doors in Priesthood.

The one that really bothers me is when women joke around "I can't wait for polygamy to return! It would be great to have sister wives to help me clean, cook, babysit the kids, and take a break from sex."

The sex comment would be offensive to me as a husband and something is wrong with these women to feel that way about intimacy.
The joke makes no sense to begin with. Unless the sister wives are infertile, the housework and burdens of rearing children will only increase in polygamy.

It seems since the FLDS Texas raid, I am hearing this type of joke more and more. One of my LDS friends even did a blog post about how great polygamy could be (for the housework help). I can think of at least 6 Mormon friends who have made this same comment recently.
A TBM cousin also joked with me that she wishes for a sister wife to help her with the kids and housework. I asked her how adding another family to her household was going to make her chores and chaotic life easier & recommended she hire a maid and nanny if life is so hard that she's wishing for polygamy to return.

I've been joking right back with these TBM's that I am hoping for polyandry to return to the church. Now that would ease my burdens!

[_The Nehor]

I've been LDS my whole life and I only told polygamy jokes to one guy in my life. He was a Muslim Pakistani who would give us missionaries free kebabs if we had a good one.

While I have seen insensitive clods joke about it (both male and female) in every case I know of such joking only occurred in weak relationships. I'm sure if they weren't LDS the jokes would involve something equally hurtful. The one place I would expect to see jokes about it (YSA ward) no one ever mentions it.

[_cinepro]

I asked her how adding another family to her household was going to make her chores and chaotic life easier & recommended she hire a maid and nanny if life is so hard that she's wishing for polygamy to return.

Yeah, you'd think she'd never seen The Brady Bunch.

And something tells me that a wife who approaches polygamy with such an attitude is in for a rocky relationship with their sister wive(s). After all, how would they feel if their husband looked at their primary contribution to the relationship as being the cleaning, childrearing, and second-string "intimacy" duties?

[_truth dancer]

Hi Seven,

The one that really bothers me is when women joke around "I can't wait for polygamy to return! It would be great to have sister wives to help me clean, cook, babysit the kids, and take a break from sex."

Sad that there are so many women who don't like having sex with their husbands. Poor women...

And, why is it that some LDS women think the only way to get some help with childcare or housework is to get a woman to sleep with her husband. I don't understand the logic in this one.

And, did they ever think that THEY would be the ones watching a few dozen children and cleaning up after several households while their younger, more attractive "sister wife" was getting the favors?

Seriously... it is all rather sickening. As I stated, the legacy of Joseph Smith and his perversions.

[_cinepro]

The comments from the OP raise the interesting issue of how polygamy is perceived in the modern LDS Church in broader terms (no pun intended!)

It reminds me of the guy who wrote a book outlining why he thought polygamy was a wonderful thing in the past, and how we should be preparing for it to be authorized in the future based on what Church leaders have said. His book was called More Than One: Plural Marriage, A Sacred Heritage - A Promise For Tomorrow. As far as I know, his book didn't advocate doing anything illegal or going against modern Church leaders, but he was exed. Maybe it was the billboards along I-15?

[_Brackite]

You haven't read all the way to Jacob 2:30. Therefore the Book of Mormon does NOT teach what you just said. It has a caveat.

Hello There,

There is absolutely NO Evidence whatsoever, that the Phrase, 'raise up seed unto me', in Jacob 2:30, refers to that the Lord God will command His People to enter into the Practice of Polygamy. The Lord God intends to command His People to marry Monogamously, in order to be able to raise up a righteous seed unto Him. This is really meaning raising up righteous children, righteous sons and daughters, unto the Lord God. It can and will be done through the Practice of Monogamy. The Lord God intends to raise up a righteous seed unto Him, through Monogamy, (NOT Polygamy), as can be clearly seen when correctly comparing Jacob 2:30 to 1 Nephi 7:1, and then correctly comparing 1 Nephi 7:1 to 1 Nephi 16:7-8.

Here is Jacob 2:30, Compared to 1 Nephi 7:1:

Jacob 2:30:

[30] For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.


1 Nephi 7:1:

[1] And now I would that ye might know, that after my father, Lehi, had made an end of prophesying concerning his seed, it came to pass that the Lord spake unto him again, saying that it was not meet for him, Lehi, that he should take his family into the wilderness alone; but that his sons should take daughters to wife, that they might raise up seed unto the Lord in the land of promise.

Here is Now 1 Nephi 7:1, Compared to 1 Nephi 16:7-8:

1 Nephi 7:1:

[1] And now I would that ye might know, that after my father, Lehi, had made an end of prophesying concerning his seed, it came to pass that the Lord spake unto him again, saying that it was not meet for him, Lehi, that he should take his family into the wilderness alone; but that his sons should take daughters to wife, that they might raise up seed unto the Lord in the land of promise.


1 Nephi 16:7-8:

[7] And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the daughters of Ishmael to wife; and also, my brethren took of the daughters of Ishmael to wife; and also Zoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.

[8] And thus my father had fulfilled all the commandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.

Nephi and his brethren took just one wife each, in order to be able to raise up seed unto the Lord God.
Nephi and his brethren did fulfill the Commandment of the Lord God, with them just taking one wife each, in order to be able to raise up righteous seed unto the Lord God.
A Righteous Man is able to raise up a righteous seed unto the Lord God, with having just one righteous wife.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Brackite,

Nice to see you!

You need to write a book! :-) Your interpretation is right on, in my opinion!

~td~